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OKIsItJustMe

(20,979 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:19 AM Dec 4

Linkping University: How non-toxic and efficient solar cells can be produced

https://liu.se/en/news-item/sa-kan-giftfria-och-effektiva-solceller-tillverkas
How non-toxic and efficient solar cells can be produced

04 December 2024

Anders Törneholm
Large-scale production of organic solar cells with high efficiency and minimal environmental impact. This can now be made possible through a new design principle developed at Linköping University. In the study, published in the journal Nature Energy, the researchers have studied molecule shape and interaction in organic solar cells.



Sustainable mass production

The efficiency of organic solar cells is catching up with traditional solar cells and they can convert about 20 percent of the sun’s rays into electricity. The high efficiency is the result of several years of intensive materials research and studies of the interaction between the molecules in the material, the so-called morphology.



Morphology and performance

What the Linköping researchers have done is map the molecular interaction between the materials transporting the electrons and the solvent itself by using a series of advanced synchrotron X-ray and neutron techniques. Thanks to this, the researchers were then able to develop a design principle that works for many different harmless solvents. In the long run, they hope that even water can act as a solvent.

According to the researchers, understanding the link between morphology and performance in organic solar cells is a major challenge, as they need to investigate the ultra-fast movement of electrons (the charge transport) from the material that releases electrons to the receiving material. Those processes occur within nanoscale structures and at molecular interfaces. According to Feng Gao, the road to environmentally sustainable organic solar cells is now open.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41560-024-01678-5
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CoopersDad

(2,904 posts)
1. 20% efficiency is about 20X as efficient as plants are...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:24 PM
Dec 4

...at converting sunlight into stored chemical energy.

Of course different plants have different efficiencies, I took a rough average of 1% efficiency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_efficiency


OKIsItJustMe

(20,979 posts)
3. Yeah, 20% efficiency is really rather good
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:49 PM
Dec 4

The plants of course are (as you pointed out) producing end products (sugars, oils, lignin) all of them coming from splitting H₂O and CO₂ and reassembling the freed atoms.

We are at last getting better at doing this. Hysata claims to be able to produce hydrogen through electrolysis at 95% efficiency!

NNadir

(34,752 posts)
2. Wow! We're saved. The first lecture I attended on organic solar cells was about 5 years ago.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:45 PM
Dec 4

It was by Lin Loo at Princeton. I was very proud of my son for noting during Q&A for questioning the Indium dependence.

There are 219,000 papers in Google Scholar using the term "organic solar cells."

I'm sure this is the best one ever though. We're saved.

OKIsItJustMe

(20,979 posts)
4. Let's see, how long has it been since EBR-1 first turned on the light?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 12:55 PM
Dec 4

Has nuclear power saved us since then?

Oh and how long has it been since EBR-1 had its little meltdown?

NNadir

(34,752 posts)
5. No, it did not do what it might have done because, as is...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:19 PM
Dec 4

...unsurprising, ignorance won.

A lot of reactionary assholes engaged in selective attention attacked it on exceedingly idiotic grounds saying so called "renewable energy" could replace all the world's nuclear plants. As is common with this set of credulous fools, they were completely disinterested in attacking fossil fuels. They still are, and the consequences of their extreme ignorance is written in the planetary atmosphere.

According to Jim Hansen, the famous climate scientist, despite all the antinuke caterwauling, writing in 2013, nuclear power saved more than two years worth of fossil fuel dumping at current rising rates. He cares about extreme global heating though. He's certainly not an idiot who has spent time musing and whining about Three Mile Island for the last four decades.

He gives a shit.

Which produces more energy in 2024, solar or nuclear energy? The answer to this question would involve understanding that the unit of macroscopic energy is the Exajoule.

I often post a link to Hansen's highly cited paper, but I'm beginning to believe antinukes are reading challenged.

OKIsItJustMe

(20,979 posts)
6. You seem to suffer from a willful ignorance
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:25 PM
Dec 4

Here we have a method of producing non-perovskite non-silicon solar cells without toxic solvents, and you say, “The first lecture I attended on organic solar cells was about 5 years ago.” (as if it has taken forever to progress.)

EBR-1 was almost seventy-five years ago…

https://www.ne.anl.gov/About/reactors/frt.shtml#fragment-4

NNadir

(34,752 posts)
7. I stand by my remarks, and my journal here reflects my reading...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 01:50 PM
Dec 4

...and thinking level.

I'm extremely unaffected by criticism from people whose ability to read, think, and compare numbers, as in cost and, units, again, of energy (Exajoules), strikes me as questionable.

I'm certainly mature enough to "consider the source" as they say.

It is unsurprising to me to find a reactionary who can't count, demonstrates willful ignorance, criticizing a reactor conceived and designed by one of the finest minds ever to grace this planet, Enrico Fermi.

The contempt for science, engineering and scientists rings loudly in these mindless criticisms.

The world has built more than 500 reactors built on Fermi's initial insights, saving human lives, and slowing, although constrained by the ignorance and selective attention of people who clearly can't tell diarrhea and peanut butter, fewer have been built than might have been built in a wiser world.

Again though, antinukes can't count to 30, the number of Exajoules produced by nuclear energy in an atmosphere of derision by the clueless, never mind to 500.

OKIsItJustMe

(20,979 posts)
8. You enjoy building straw men to criticize
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 02:04 PM
Dec 4

I am not a straw man.

You act as if there is no role for renewables. The IEA seems to believe the opposite. Who am I to believe?

https://www.iea.org/news/finland-s-nuclear-and-renewable-power-strengths-provide-a-solid-foundation-for-reaching-its-ambitious-climate-targets-iea-review-says

Finland’s nuclear and renewable power strengths provide a solid foundation for reaching its ambitious climate targets, IEA review says
News
05 May 2023

Further progress can be made by speeding up deployment of wind and solar while pushing forward efficiency measures to bring down the energy intensity of the Finnish economy

Finland has one of the world’s most ambitious carbon neutrality targets and is in a strong position to achieve them given its already low reliance on fossil fuels. But to fully reach its climate targets while ensuring energy security and promoting a sustainable economy, greater efforts are needed to speed up the deployment of solar and wind, and to wean transport and industry off their reliance on oil and gas, according the IEA’s latest policy review.

Since the Agency’s last policy review in 2018, Finland has updated its Climate Change Act to include a legal requirement to reach carbon neutrality by 2035, along with binding targets to reduce all greenhouse gas emissions by between 90% and 95% by 2050.

Thanks to its fleet of nuclear plants and high shares of electricity generation from biomass, hydro and wind power, Finland already has a low reliance on fossil fuels. In 2021, fossil fuels covered 36% of its total energy supply, well below the IEA average of 70%. Among IEA member countries, only Sweden has a lower share of fossil fuels in its energy mix. Finland has no domestic fossil fuel production and imports all its crude oil, natural gas and coal.

It seems strange that they don’t suggest “speeding up deployment of nuclear power…”

NNadir

(34,752 posts)
9. Ah, the good ole strawman...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:50 PM
Dec 4

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2024, 07:25 PM - Edit history (1)

I wrote a rather elaborate post on this subject referring to a decidedly not too bright antinuke carrying on about "strawmen."

Before referring to it, let me post another recent post of mine, being sure to expect criticism of my self absorption, which makes me question whether I should jump up and down for joy over the chanting of "renewables will save us" types:

The Disastrous 2024 CO2 Data Recorded at Mauna Loa: Yet Another Update 12/03/2024

Any interest?

No?

I thought so.

Would the planet be burning because of "straw?" Wait, couldn't straw be more of that magical so called "renewable energy?" Ya think?

From my perspective, this post of mine referring to the data at the Mauna Loa CO2 Observatory, which I have followed through decades of bullshit here about solar, wind, batteries and hydrogen that didn't do a damned thing, doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy for the trillions of dollars squandered on so called "renewable energy," and similiarly, the money squandered to satiate the idiotic contempt for the laws for thermodynamics represented by money squandered on energy storage and lacing wires all over the planet to connect all of this unreliable junk.

My post in response to a "strawmen" accusation, which I found amusing, predictably from someone who clearly can't think very well of a certain type one can see around here - a locution often raised by defenders of the indefensible - is here:

828 Underground Nuclear Tests, Plutonium Migration in Nevada, Dunning, Kruger, Strawmen, and Tunnels

Now, to be clear, I wrote in response to a "'I'm not an antinuke' antinuke" of my unfortunate acquaintance, and of course, addressing people at this level is clearly a waste of time - it's not like they can be educated - but I became fascinated by the topic, after a remark I made, clearly sarcastic, that little shit for brains antinukes are more worried about a radioactive atom tunneling into their tiresome and weak little brains than about, oh, I don't know - about the data, at Mauna Loa, for just one instance. My sarcastic remark about radioactive atoms in antinuke brains was generated by an asinine comment in one of my old posts, called up to let me know all about the collapse of a tunnel at the Hanford Nuclear Weapons Reservation. (I showed that the antinuclear radiation paranoia, as is the case with the big bogeyman at Fukushima, is likely to have killed more people - from air pollution - than the collapsed tunnel).

I'm rather glad I wrote that post addressing the air head, because the research into the primary scientific literature, which has over 200,000 papers on organic solar cells - aren't they wonderful? - caused me to consider the chemistry of plutonium, the element I believe might still save some of what is left to save, and the wonderful synthetic element technetium.

I learned a lot writing it.

I would suggest that someone who wants to learn new things should learn how to read, but, clearly many people don't bother. They'd rather demand worship of the "solar and wind will save us" cults, except solar and wind isn't saving a damned thing. It's soaking up money and making things worse, not better.

As for what credulous rubes care to "believe," I couldn't care less. I think I made it clear how I feel about soothsaying.

Not that I expect it to be read, no matter how many times I post it:

Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power (Pushker A. Kharecha* and James E. Hansen Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (9), pp 4889–4895).

From the abstract:

In the aftermath of the March 2011 accident at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, the future contribution of nuclear power to the global energy supply has become somewhat uncertain. Because nuclear power is an abundant, low-carbon source of base-load power, it could make a large contribution to mitigation of global climate change and air pollution. Using historical production data, we calculate that global nuclear power has prevented an average of 1.84 million air pollution-related deaths and 64 gigatonnes of CO2-equivalent (GtCO2-eq) greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions that would have resulted from fossil fuel burning.


The bold is mine.

Of course, one won't expect anyone carrying on for more than forty years about Three Mile Island to get it, would one?

These sorts clearly don't give a shit about carbon dioxide, or for that matter, human lives lost to air pollution.

I'm wishing you the happiest of the upcoming December holidays, even if they result, in the winter solstice during the Saturnalian festivals, in Dunkleflaute in that coal burning hellhole, Germany.



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