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Deuxcents

(25,350 posts)
3. Sam Rayburn..once Speaker of the House from East Texas. He'd never recognize it today
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 09:10 PM
Dec 10

I say that because I have relatives there and live near Lake Sam Rayburn. Beautiful and ruby red

NNadir

(37,198 posts)
4. So what? "By 2035" was never different than "By 1990," "By 2000," "by 2010," or "by 2020."
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 09:19 PM
Dec 10

I've lived through all the "by xxxx's" and then some.

Let's get serious. So called "renewable energy" will get to this fantasy "100% clean grid," um, "by never."

The wind and solar industry has not been sustainable, isn't sustainable, and won't be sustainable. There isn't enough land or metals or benthic zones to destroy to make it so.

OKIsItJustMe

(21,703 posts)
5. If you bothered to read it
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 09:22 PM
Dec 10

You would find it calls for expanded deployment of nuclear power…

But…

NNadir

(37,198 posts)
6. So what? I think I've been very clear that the ONLY tool for addressing extreme global heating that's now here,...
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 10:40 PM
Dec 10

...accompanied by the gloating of antinukes, was, is, and always will be nuclear energy, and importantly nothing else. This was true "by 1980," "by 1990," "by 2000," "by 2010," and "by 2020."

Here we are at "by 2025:"

What part of this is difficult to understand?

Week beginning on November 30, 2025: 427.21 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 424.84 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 400.83 ppm
Last updated: December 10, 2025

Trends in Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

"By 2025" it proved too late for nuclear energy to do what it might have done, a fact that, to repeat, engenders some gloating by antinukes, as I've noted many times.

I joined DU 23 years and roughly 3 weeks ago. At that time the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere was 372.68 ppm. In other words, 23 years and 3 weeks ago is 54.53 ppm ago.

I'm paying attention as opposed to daydreaming and soothsaying.

I have never met a "we need solar and wind" acolyte who was ever seriously, except in crocodile tears, interested in attacking fossil fuels. They only are interested in bad mouthing or outright attacking nuclear energy. That was true "in 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010, 2020 and now in 2025."

The Germans didn't shut their coal plants. They embraced coal, albeit with some "by XXXX 100% hydrogen" bullshit. This is a disgrace in a country where they speak the same language that Ludwig Boltzmann spoke. Again, they didn't shut their coal plants, they shut their nuclear plants, thus killing people and the planet. Who's kidding whom about what the solar and wind fantasy is all about?

For the record, I read vast amounts of material. I post often here about what I read, for which I do not apologize. Frankly, don't have time for every cartoon, including the "we need solar and wind," cartoons that other people think I should read.

I was once uneducated enough to believe this kind of "renewable energy will save us" horseshit in my 20s, 30's and maybe even into my 40's, but you know what?

I'm an old man now, soon to disappear from a planet now in flames.

I look at the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere every damned week in every month of every year, and have done so for decades. The results are clear to anyone who can read with a modicum of comprehension.

I claim, if anything, I'm well read and I am not going to apologize to anyone for being for not reading their favorite cartoons.

I don't have time for cartoons.

The solar and wind industry combined produced just 18 Exajoules of energy in 2024, growing combined by 2 Exajoules since 2023 on a planet now consuming as of that year, 654 Exajoules. It did this by soaking the world economy for close to a trillion dollars. Combined, solar and wind grew slower than coal, which grew to 178 Exajoules from 175 Exajoules between 2023 and 2024, and dangerous natural gas, which grew from 145 to 148 Exajoules in the same period. They grew slightly faster than petroleum, which grew by 1 Exajoules to 193 Exajoules. (Are we saved?)

"By 2035?" Don't make me laugh because honestly, all I can do in the face of this chanting "100% by XXXX" bullshit is weep.

Save that 100% clean energy shit "by XXXX" for "I'll sue you if you doubt me" Mark Z. Jacobson. It's his speed, and not the speed of any serious person.

Have a wonderful evening and a nice day tomorrow, as well as the happiest of holiday seasons.

OKIsItJustMe

(21,703 posts)
7. Yes, I'm well aware of your stance
Wed Dec 10, 2025, 11:42 PM
Dec 10

It is irrational. Renewable sources are here, are being rapidly deployed and are decreasing emissions.

https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2025/executive-summary

Global renewable power capacity is expected to double between now and 2030, increasing by 4 600 gigawatts (GW). This is roughly the equivalent of adding China, the European Union and Japan’s power generation capacity combined to the global energy mix. Solar PV accounts for almost 80% of the global increase, followed by wind, hydropower, bioenergy and geothermal. In more than 80% of countries worldwide, renewable power capacity is set to grow faster between 2025 and 2030 than it did over the previous five-year period. However, challenges including grid integration, supply chain vulnerabilities and financing are also increasing.



The increase in solar PV capacity is set to more than double over the next five years, dominating the global growth of renewables. Low costs, faster permitting and broad social acceptance continue to drive the accelerating adoption of solar PV. Wind power faces supply chain issues, rising costs and permitting delays – but global capacity is still expected to nearly double to over 2 000 GW by 2030 as major economies like China and the European Union address these challenges. Hydropower is set to account for 3% of new renewable power additions to 2030. The faster growth of pumped storage plants between 2025-30 leads to a much greater increase in hydropower compared with the previous five years. In 2030, annual geothermal capacity additions are expected to reach a historic high, triple the 2024 increase, driven by growth in the United States, Indonesia, Japan, Türkiye, Kenya and the Philippines.

The forecast for growth in global renewable power capacity is revised down slightly, mainly due to policy changes in the United States and China. The renewable energy growth forecast for the 2025-2030 period is 5% lower compared with last year’s report, reflecting policy, regulatory and market changes since October 2024. The forecast for the United States is revised down by almost 50%. This reflects several policy changes, including the earlier phase out of federal tax credits, new import restrictions, the suspension of new offshore wind leasing and restricting the permitting of onshore wind and solar PV projects on federal land. China’s shift from fixed tariffs to auctions is impacting project economics and lowering growth expectations. Nonetheless, China continues to account for nearly 60% of global renewable capacity growth and is on track to reach its recently announced 2035 wind and solar target five years ahead of schedule, extending its track record of early delivery.



The deployment of renewables has already reduced fuel import needs significantly in many countries, enhancing energy diversification and security. Since 2010, the world added around 2 500 GW of non-hydro renewable power capacity, about 80% of which was installed in countries that rely on fossil fuel imports. Without these renewable additions, cumulative global imports of coal and natural gas in these countries would have been 45% higher in 2023. As a result, countries have reduced coal imports by 700 million tonnes and natural gas imports by 400 billion cubic metres, saving an estimated USD 1.3 trillion since 2010.



Nuclear has a role to play, but it will not be the sole source of electricity (unless you have a time machine you haven’t mentioned.)
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