Why is DU celebrating that ISIS has conquered Syria?

[DetlefK]

Because it hurts Russia geopolitically?

Do I need to remind everyone that the rebel-alliance that has conquered Syria is a hodge-podge mix that not only consists of secular rebels like the druzish and kurdish ethnicities fighting for freedom, but also affiliates/offshots/allies of ISIS and Al-Qaeda?

The next rulers of Syria will be extremist islamists who will reign with an iron fist of terror, just like the Taliban.



A murderous socialist dictatorship has been replaced with a murderous islamist dictatorship

[RandySF]

1. This is the first time I heard it's ISIS.

[questionseverything]

4. It's a couple muslin extremous groups

Like even the old janajanaweed

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Are you serious?

The Janjaweed were/are involved? Foreign media hasn't reported that.

[kelly1mm]

2. For the last 3 days DU has been (generally) celebrating a man getting shot in the back in NYC. This

place has lost it's moral compass.

[applegrove]

7. Or they just don't have F's to give because there

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are so many gun crime victims, like 2 children this week who never hurt a flea. 5 & 6 years old shot at school. In ICU. That requires a lot of empathy. Man who scams people out of their health care, not so much. He was in a different bubble than the rest of us. Why should people care when he doesn't care about those outside his own bubble of wealth and privilege.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/us/school-shooting-california-kindergarteners.html

[JustAnotherGen]

22. I have not been celebrating

But those two innocent children have sucked up all of my empathy for victims of gun violence this week.

Once again - children woke up and went to school . . .

[iemanja]

24. If no one cares

Why have there been non-stop posts about it? Not caring would mean ignoring it.

[applegrove]

25. I love a manhunt. Of course I want to see the guy caught.

Law and order. But only that. I'm not one who thinks the assasin is hot either. I'm against murder.

[iemanja]

26. hot?

JFC

[applegrove]

27. There were a few places where people thought

he was hot. I think Weekend update on SNL was one place that made a joke on it. But it was also real people on the internet.

[applegrove]

28. Here:

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[iemanja]

29. Ted Bundy had groupies too

It also belies the claim that you just didn't care.

[applegrove]

30. How is that? I said he was not a hot and I'm against murder.

[iemanja]

31. You raised the issue of his being hot

And in two posts tried to provide evidence the feeling was widespread.

[applegrove]

32. I was commenting negatively at the "hot assasin" meme

which has been out there for two days.

[applegrove]

3. The Rebels are not ISIS.

[kelly1mm]

5. Used to be ISIS, now just run of the mill islamist militants / designated terrorists by the USA. nt

[applegrove]

8. Let's hope and pray they become more pragmatic.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/syria-civil-war-rebels.html

[Lonestarblue]

17. According to a NYT article this morning, the main rebel group jettisoned ISIS and al Qaeda several years ago.

I don’t think anyone really knows what they stand for, other than getting rid of Assad, which is a good thing.

[J_William_Ryan]

6. "Because it hurts Russia geopolitically?"

Because Democrats fancy the idea of overthrowing authoritarian fascist regimes – here and abroad.

We're in a revolutionary mood.

But yes, it’s likely that whatever takes control of Syria will be some sort of authoritarian Islamist government hostile to the West, democracy, and individual liberty.

[paulkienitz]

14. but at least they will not be puppets of Iran or Russia.

[tishaLA]

9. I saw footage of women leaving one of Assad's prisons

Or, perhaps more accurately, torture chambers. They were celebrating, seemingly unaware that they were simply going from one form of grotesque oppression to another.

I'll hold out hope that a secular government can happen there, but the chances are slim.

[Old Crank]

10. I think we ca celebrate the removal of a vicious butcher.

But what will come next will most likely not be much better. Perhaps for the Kurds, if Turkey doesn't try to annex that territory for security reasons, ethnic cleansing.

[Crunchy Frog]

11. Yes. It hurts russia geopolitically.

[AllyCat]

12. Assad is a brutal man. Celebrating him gone

is to be expected. What is coming for Syria will not be better. Maybe good can prevail.

[COL Mustard]

13. I'm not sure what this development means

Assad is/was a bad guy and I won’t lose any sleep over him, but I don’t know enough about the rebels to think they’ll be an improvement.

It’ll be interesting to see what the Biden administration does, and what the incoming administration does as well.

Don’t forget, please, that we have troops in Syria. I hope this doesn’t put them at greater risk.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. "Assad is/was a bad guy"

Multi-generational bad guys. Family bad guys (including at least one brother who was actively brutal).



https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/08/middleeast/bashar-al-assad-syria-profile-intl-hnk/index.html

I think we have a couple (informal) bases of operation there that were established to thwart ISIL/ISIS so I expect temporarily retreating from there might be in order.

During his first term, 45 did actually order military ops there in 2018 - Trump announces strikes on Syria following suspected chemical weapons attack by Assad forces

[COL Mustard]

18. I'll shed no tears

Over the demise of anyone like that. But I’m still concerned that the new government is not going to be any better than the old one.

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Just like Libya

you'll have jockeying for "power" and about the only approach that might delay a completely new upheaval is having some kind of "coalition" power-sharing.

You also have the issue of Kurds there (and in Iraq and Turkey), with their own dynamic.

[RandySF]

15. Let's see what develops

I have no sympathy for the Assads.

[FBaggins]

19. It isn't- the situation is far more complex than that

Hezbollah is also a murdering Islamist group and they’ve now lost another base of operations.

It’s going to be a challenging time - perhaps for years as an odd mix of Sunni groups supplant an odd mix of Shia groups… but that still likely to be better than a puppet for Iran/Russia

[bronxiteforever]

23. It hurts Russia because of Putin's idiocy

We can’t help it if Putin is an autocrat who believes in his own genius. If Putin hadn’t made the colossal mistake of trying to annex Ukraine and its people, Assad would have survived. Russia hurt itself by being murderous invaders.

But I always rejoice when tyrants are overthrown and Assad was steeped in blood.

When tyrants tremble, sick with fear,
And hear their death-knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near,
How can I keep from singing?

I pray the beleaguered Syrian people have a respite of peace because they have suffered enough. The odds are not good for this but are not zero.