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appalachiablue

(42,991 posts)
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:12 PM Jan 2020

Smokers Past And Present 'Live In More Pain'

People who smoke, and even those who have given up, report living in more pain than those who have never picked up the habit, a report suggests, BBC News, Jan. 1, 2020.

The findings are based on an analysis of data from more than 220,000 people conducted by UCL. The researchers say the reason why is unknown, but could include smoking causing permanent changes in the body. The anti-smoking campaign group Ash said the findings should not come as a surprise given the dangers of smoking.

Scientists were analysing data from a set of online experiments in the BBC Lab UK Study, in which people took part between 2009 and 2013. They were sorted into three categories:
◾never smoked daily
◾used to smoke daily
◾or currently smoke daily

They were asked how much pain they lived in and this was converted into a scale from zero to 100. Higher scores meant more pain. Current and former smokers scored about one to two points higher than those who had never smoked, the study in the journal Addictive Behaviors showed. In other words, smoking was linked to living in more pain - even after quitting.

"The key finding is the former smokers still see that effect of elevated pain," one of the UCL researchers, Dr Olga Perski, told the BBC.



She added: "It is a very large data set. We've got a good sample, so we can be fairly confident there is something going on here. "But we can't say whether that's clinically meaningful," And Dr Perski said the most surprising finding was that the higher levels of pain were found in the youngest ages groups (aged 16 to 34). What is going on? There is no definitive explanation for why this effect might exist. One proposed idea is that some of the thousands of chemicals in tobacco smoke may lead to permanent tissue damage, resulting in pain. Another is that smoking could have a lasting effect on the body's hormonal systems.

This suggestion specifically centres around the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA-axis), which is involved in how we respond to pain. If the HPA-axis is knocked out of balance then it could lead to people feeling more pain.

But there remains the possibility that smoking is the symptom and not the cause.

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For example, studies have linked the neurotic personality trait to feeling more intense pain and a higher risk of smoking. So is could be that, on average, the type of person who is more likely to report having more pain is also the type of person who is more likely to start smoking. "This is certainly an issue that needs looking into," said Dr Perski.

However, she said the latest study fitted in with previous research linking smoking with chronic pain and with back pain...

More, https://www.bbc.com/news/health-50813228

*DU, Smoking Cessation Group, https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1153

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Smokers Past And Present 'Live In More Pain' (Original Post) appalachiablue Jan 2020 OP
I'm glad they were cautious in their conclusions wryter2000 Jan 2020 #1
The highest pain levels in the youngest is significant. I'm inclined appalachiablue Jan 2020 #2
I gave it up in 1990 wryter2000 Jan 2020 #3
So they self report pain one to two points higher on a scale of 1 to 100? Midnight Writer Jan 2020 #4
I agree. The self reporting scale is very subjective. Nitram Jan 2020 #6
Higher scores meant more pain. Current and former smokers scored about one to two points higher nocoincidences Jan 2020 #5

wryter2000

(47,552 posts)
1. I'm glad they were cautious in their conclusions
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:25 PM
Jan 2020

With that huge sample, the results are statistically significant, but how big is the effect? One to two percent. As one of them noted, probably not clinically significant.

Lots of other good reasons not to smoke.

appalachiablue

(42,991 posts)
2. The highest pain levels in the youngest is significant. I'm inclined
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jan 2020

to think pain is part of the draw, rather than the result, based on the people I've known.

Anyway, good luck to those deciding 2020 is the year to quit.

> "the higher levels of pain were found in the youngest ages groups (aged 16 to 34). What is going on? There is no definitive explanation for why this effect might exist."

wryter2000

(47,552 posts)
3. I gave it up in 1990
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jan 2020

It's tough, but so worth it. These days, you'll save tons of money as well as doing good for your health

Midnight Writer

(23,072 posts)
4. So they self report pain one to two points higher on a scale of 1 to 100?
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:48 PM
Jan 2020

That doesn't seem very significant. Self reporting pain levels can be awfully subjective, and one to two points is very small difference.

nocoincidences

(2,330 posts)
5. Higher scores meant more pain. Current and former smokers scored about one to two points higher
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jan 2020

Current and former smokers scored about one to two points higher than those who had never smoked,

And this reached a statistical level of significance?

I need more explanation of the value of the numbers in the scale.

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