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Jilly_in_VA

(10,991 posts)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:17 AM Nov 2021

The virus that causes 'immune amnesia'

It was late at night on 15 November 2019, on the Samoan island of Upolu – a tiny jade-green splodge in the Pacific Ocean, somewhere between Hawaii and New Zealand. Government officials were rushing to attend a meeting in the sleepy harbourside capital to discuss an urgent public health issue. By the end of the evening they had declared a state of emergency, with immediate effect.

Three months earlier, a member of the public had developed a characteristic red-brown blotchy rash after arriving on a flight from New Zealand, where there was an ongoing measles epidemic. They were swiftly diagnosed as a "suspected" case, but no further action was taken.

By 2 October, another seven measles cases had materialised. Schools – ideal environments for the virus to spread among its preferred victims – continued as normal, with the small concession that prize-giving ceremonies were banned. Even then, some ignored this. Just over a month later, the outbreak had spiralled to alarming proportions – with 716 people infected, out of a total population of around 197,000.

But with the new state of emergency in place, the country radically stepped up its efforts to halt the spread. Schools and businesses closed. Workers abandoned their offices. Residents were advised to stay in their homes. In a sinister echo of the red crosses marked on doors during medieval plague outbreaks, red flags popped up outside the homes of unvaccinated families across the country, draped on bushes, tied to columns and hung from trees. This allowed doctors to go house to house, administering compulsory vaccinations to those who needed them. Otherwise, Samoa became a ghost island – with empty roads and cancelled flights.

Eventually infections slowed, and the state of emergency ended on 28 December 2019. In all, 5,667 people were infected – including 8% of the population under 15 years old. Of those, 81 died, including three children from the same family.

The epidemic was over – but the virus hadn't necessarily taken its last victim.

Enter "immune amnesia", a mysterious phenomenon that's been with us for millennia, though it was only discovered in 2012. Essentially, when you're infected with measles, your immune system abruptly forgets every pathogen it's ever encountered before – every cold, every bout of flu, every exposure to bacteria or viruses in the environment, every vaccination. The loss is near-total and permanent. Once the measles infection is over, current evidence suggests that your body has to re-learn what's good and what's bad almost from scratch.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211112-the-people-with-immune-amnesia
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THIS explains why we were all so sick the year I was 9 and we started with measles in January.....

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The virus that causes 'immune amnesia' (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Nov 2021 OP
I was so young when I got the measles I can hardly remember it Walleye Nov 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #5
I nearly died from the mumps wackadoo wabbit Nov 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #9
Shit, no wonder I was so sick as a kid. lark Nov 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author lark Nov 2021 #3
We had all the childhood diseases in the 60s jpak Nov 2021 #4
Interesting Freddie Nov 2021 #6
The year I was in 4th grade Jilly_in_VA Nov 2021 #7

Walleye

(36,002 posts)
1. I was so young when I got the measles I can hardly remember it
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:22 AM
Nov 2021

I’ve seen pictures of myself with the rash as a child. I guess looking at this I was lucky to get it that young. I remember the chickenpox pretty well and the mumps which my mom got and she was really sick

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wackadoo wabbit

(1,217 posts)
8. I nearly died from the mumps
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:22 PM
Nov 2021

I don't remember anything about it, but my mother always told me that I had a fever of 106° at one point, and the doctor told her that he didn't think I would make it.

I'm still here, though, so there's that.

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lark

(24,293 posts)
2. Shit, no wonder I was so sick as a kid.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:24 AM
Nov 2021

I nearly died with German measles, but also had regular measles and really bad flu within a year. This might explain why. Although, I do think I still had some natural immunities because my friend developed mumps & was really sick the day after she spent then night with me. Several people in my class had it too but I never did.

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Freddie

(9,725 posts)
6. Interesting
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:34 AM
Nov 2021

I’m pretty sure I had rubella 2x, when I was 5 and again when I was 8, during the Great Rubella Epidemic of 1965. It was the only time in 13 years of school I was sent home by the nurse; nowadays they would close schools like they do occasionally for stomach bug epidemics. My husband told me how sick he was with mumps around the same age, considering the fairly frequent consequences of mumps in boys, we’re fortunate to have our 2 kids. And my dad used to tell stories of polio epidemics in the summer. People don’t appreciate how awesome vaccines can be.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,991 posts)
7. The year I was in 4th grade
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 12:08 PM
Nov 2021

we all got measles, apparently exposed at a neighborhood Christmas party. That was followed by rubella, strep throat, and mumps. Since there were three of us, somebody was sick pretty much all the time and the orange Quarantine sign stayed up on our door. My poor mom was run off her feet! We had an old-timey doctor who still made house calls and he came by several times a week. I remember being really sick with measles. The weird thing about rubella and mumps was that I don't remember being very sick but I had to stay home anyway. I didn't swell up with mumps. I wasn't sure I'd actually had either until I got pregnant with my first baby and was exposed to rubella. I had to have a blood test and found out I had antibodies to both, which meant I'd had them.

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