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Jilly_in_VA

(10,989 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 03:32 PM Apr 2022

Rare, severe liver damage reported in kids in U.S. and Europe

Public health officials in Europe and the United States are investigating dozens of puzzling cases of severe hepatitis in young children.

Hepatitis is an inflammation of the liver. The cause is often a virus, but the viruses that commonly cause the illness — hepatitis A, B, C, D and E — have been ruled out in the cases in question, leaving doctors searching for the culprit.

In several cases, the illness was so severe that the children needed a liver transplant. No deaths have been reported.

The World Health Organization on Friday said it was investigating 74 cases of severe acute hepatitis in children under age 10 in the United Kingdom. Three cases were also reported in Spain, the WHO said.

In the U.S., nine cases have been reported in children ages 6 and younger in Alabama. The Alabama cases were first reported by Stat News.

Dr. Wes Stubblefield, district medical officer for the Alabama Department of Public Health, said that all of the children were otherwise healthy before becoming ill, and that there is no obvious link among the children.

With the common hepatitis viruses ruled out, the current leading theory is that a different virus, called adenovirus type 41, is to blame.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/severe-hepatitis-kids-dozens-cases-reported-us-europe-rcna24553

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Rare, severe liver damage reported in kids in U.S. and Europe (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Apr 2022 OP
Just Rebl2 Apr 2022 #1
But it's not Jilly_in_VA Apr 2022 #2
Right Rebl2 Apr 2022 #9
It would be interesting to know how many of these kids had recently been vaccinated against Covid. TheRickles Apr 2022 #3
How could a vaccine for a coronavirus wnylib Apr 2022 #4
Not CAUSE a retrovirus, but maybe AWAKEN a retrovirus. The virus can already be dormant in a body? Samrob Apr 2022 #12
From a different story on the same subject: momta Apr 2022 #6
Thank you. Good to know it has already been assessed. TheRickles Apr 2022 #10
You are welcome. momta Apr 2022 #14
It doesn't work that way. paleotn Apr 2022 #7
Hepatitis simply means inflamed liver. It is not necessarily an infectious process. Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #5
Not the only thought, but the most common. paleotn Apr 2022 #8
I'm sure the anti-vax people Mr.Bill Apr 2022 #11
Way, waaaay too little information to speculate SpankMe Apr 2022 #13

Jilly_in_VA

(10,989 posts)
2. But it's not
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 04:46 PM
Apr 2022

If you read the article, none of these kids had Covid. They mostly had an adenovirus, which is something quite else, a different virus. Covid is a coronavirus.

Rebl2

(14,870 posts)
9. Right
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 05:48 PM
Apr 2022

I understand that. Just saying it sounds like Covid, but I know that it is not Covid. It’s adenovirus.

TheRickles

(2,441 posts)
3. It would be interesting to know how many of these kids had recently been vaccinated against Covid.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 04:48 PM
Apr 2022

It's a small sample size of identified patients, so it'd be easy enough to assess. If no correlation is seen, then it's powerful ammo to use against vaccine skeptics. But if there is a strong correlation (ulp!), it'd certainly be important to know about and research further, however unlikely it may seem.

wnylib

(24,552 posts)
4. How could a vaccine for a coronavirus
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 05:01 PM
Apr 2022

that contains NO virus of any kind, cause a retrovirus (unrelated to a coronavirus) in anyone?

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
12. Not CAUSE a retrovirus, but maybe AWAKEN a retrovirus. The virus can already be dormant in a body?
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 06:38 PM
Apr 2022

TheRickles

(2,441 posts)
10. Thank you. Good to know it has already been assessed.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 05:58 PM
Apr 2022

Many people claim that the vaccines cause unrelated illnesses because they trigger an immune over-reaction or because they contain toxic compounds, or etc. These hepatitis symptoms need not be caused by a virus, as Ms. Toad explains further down the thread. Anything ending in "-itis" is an inflammation of the specific organ, and inflammations have many, many possible causes.

So hepatitis is, in the vaccine skeptic's mind, one possible vaccine side-effect, much like the myocarditis that has been widely reported and ascribed, by some, to vaccines. A little bit of data, like that provided by momta, goes a long way.

momta

(4,110 posts)
14. You are welcome.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 07:24 PM
Apr 2022

I think many of us have the same thoughts when we read stories like this. We worry that little tidbits of information taken out of context will be weaponized for whatever batsh*t theory some wingnut wants to promote. (Do I sound bitter? )

Honestly, I would find it more likely that the inflammation caused by the Sars-Cov-2 virus would be more likely to cause this kind of liver problem, but my medical degree is from Google University, so I try to leave the real speculation to the experts.

paleotn

(19,374 posts)
7. It doesn't work that way.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 05:13 PM
Apr 2022

Vaccines, particularly mRNA vaccines, contain no live virus. Plus, correlation, by itself, is bullshit. Ice cream sales correlate strongly with drownings. And shark attacks for that matter.

Ms. Toad

(35,586 posts)
5. Hepatitis simply means inflamed liver. It is not necessarily an infectious process.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 05:01 PM
Apr 2022

My daughter has hepatitis - caused by primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC).
Some of her friends have either AIH (auto-immune hepatitis) or AIH/PSC overlap.

Both, but especially PSC is increasingly common/diagnosed in children. Children often have a much more aggressive form of the disease - and require liver transplants.

I'm not saying my daughter's disease is the cause of this cluster - just that an infectious disease shouldn't necessarily be the first thought when we hear the word hepatitis.

SpankMe

(3,282 posts)
13. Way, waaaay too little information to speculate
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 06:45 PM
Apr 2022

Did the kids have fatty liver? Were they obese? What was their diet? Were they exposed to pesticides? Radiation? Drugs? Did the Russians beam radio waves at them - in Alabama? Did they eat poorly prepared blowfish? Did they download something from the Internet that was toxic? What is the race and cultural background of the children?

I can't speculate on the cause or what this could possibly be related to. But, this being DU and all, I'll sure as hell politicize it:

Many states mostly controlled by Republicans have stopped reporting Covid data to the CDC. We'll soon be lacking the hard data we need to guide public safety measures and push back on anti-vax and anti-mask people

The reporting of epidemiological data up the chain for government and scientists to study is crucial. We will all die without it.

If these liver cases are found to be due to Coronavirus, or lack of vaccine, or anything that tracks back to a conservative policy or public health ramification held dear by conservatives, then you can bet that reporting of liver failures in children will no longer be reported to public databases.

This is where conservatives worldwide are going right now - if the data indicts something they love or believe in, then stop collecting the data.

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