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Clash City Rocker

(3,541 posts)
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:16 AM Apr 2023

Help your heart by eating ice cream. Wait, what?

Last summer, I got a tip about a curious scientific finding. “I’m sorry, it cracks me up every time I think about this,” my tipster said.

Back in 2018, a Harvard doctoral student named Andres Ardisson Korat was presenting his research on the relationship between dairy foods and chronic disease to his thesis committee. One of his studies had led him to an unusual conclusion: Among diabetics, eating half a cup of ice cream a day was associated with a lower risk of heart problems. Needless to say, the idea that a dessert loaded with saturated fat and sugar might actually be good for you raised some eyebrows at the nation’s most influential department of nutrition.

Earlier, the department chair, Frank Hu, had instructed Ardisson Korat to do some further digging: Could his research have been led astray by an artifact of chance, or a hidden source of bias, or a computational error? As Ardisson Korat spelled out on the day of his defense, his debunking efforts had been largely futile. The ice-cream signal was robust.

It was robust, and kind of hilarious. “I do sort of remember the vibe being like, Hahaha, this ice-cream thing won’t go away; that’s pretty funny,” recalled my tipster, who’d attended the presentation. This was obviously not what a budding nutrition expert or his super-credentialed committee members were hoping to discover. “He and his committee had done, like, every type of analysis—they had thrown every possible test at this finding to try to make it go away. And there was nothing they could do to make it go away.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/ice-cream-bad-for-you-health-study/673487

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Help your heart by eating ice cream. Wait, what? (Original Post) Clash City Rocker Apr 2023 OP
Do they specify what kind of icecream? Not all are created equally. Srkdqltr Apr 2023 #1
I'm in 👍 dweller Apr 2023 #2
Hi dweller! I think we are related. BComplex Apr 2023 #4
I think its a great example Mosby Apr 2023 #3
Of course a diabetic would have lower risk of heart disease! Wonder Why Apr 2023 #5
Who's going eat only a half cup of ice cream? brush Apr 2023 #6
Well, does a quart every 8 days work the same? Clash City Rocker Apr 2023 #7
I'll take it! pandr32 Apr 2023 #8
Excellent! elleng Apr 2023 #9

Srkdqltr

(7,707 posts)
1. Do they specify what kind of icecream? Not all are created equally.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:24 AM
Apr 2023

Of course if one is lactose intolerant one can't/shouldn't anyway.

dweller

(25,145 posts)
2. I'm in 👍
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:34 AM
Apr 2023

I inherited the ice cream gene from my dad …

Without Ice Cream, there would be Darkness and Chaos



✌🏻

BComplex

(9,139 posts)
4. Hi dweller! I think we are related.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:51 AM
Apr 2023

I have that same gene!

Without Ice Cream, there would be Darkness and Chaos


No truer words were ever spoken!

Mosby

(17,558 posts)
3. I think its a great example
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:43 AM
Apr 2023

Of how flawed medical/health research is. Medical researchers basically abuse inferential stats by conducting "studies" where nothing was actually manipulated. Then they dress up the results with nonparametric SEMs and viola they get the results they were hoping for, even if it all completely lacks experimental controls.

Eta - reverse causation happens because of bad experimental design, which results in artifacts and unchecked confounding variables.

Wonder Why

(4,646 posts)
5. Of course a diabetic would have lower risk of heart disease!
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 12:08 PM
Apr 2023

We'd die of our diabetes first!

But in any case, this gives us something to look forward to besides some convictions.

So all you naysayers - just shut up!

We diabetics love studies like this. It gives us something to tell our doctors! "I'm in a study to verify that Gelato beats heart disease."

elleng

(136,595 posts)
9. Excellent!
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 05:21 PM
Apr 2023

Just returned from 3-day hospital stay, and stopped @ grocery store for mangoes, banana, sweet red pepper, and pint of Ice Cream and 4 'minis!!!

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