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Related: About this forumMy wife is a major hoarder and I need suggestions on how to proceed
My wife and I have been married for over 35 years. We have lived in our current home for over 20 years. My oldest daughter moved out when she got married in 2016 after college graduation. Last year my youngest daughter bought a condo about four blocks from our house, but she doesn't spend much time over there (she has a very stressful job as a 3rd shift charge nurse). She still sleeps mostly in the 3rd bedroom that used to be my oldest daughter's room. She takes her meals over here when she doesn't eat out with my wife, other daughter, and son in law (they eat out a lot). I do not eat out with them unless for special occasions like Birthdays. I used to have them bring food home for me, but I prepare most of my own food now as I am pursuing a Keto diet (or at least a greatly reduced carb diet - lots and lots of vegetables and good quality meat).
My wife has almost covered every inch of floor and counter space with newspapers, notecards (Birthday, Get Well, etc), old mail and bills, daughters' old schoolwork, pictures, Bath & Body Works bags with product, souvenirs, etc. Earlier in the marriage I attempted to push back, but I am something of a book hoarder myself (even though I have gotten rid of a lot of my books). Eventually I surrendered because of the stress of my job and my own mental issues (my wife doesn't work outside the home and hasn't since 1995).
I am trying to reclaim at least those rooms in which I need (our bedroom, my daughter's old bedroom which is now a family room/office (I am a Covid work at home). I have dusted and vacuumed as much as I can as well as getting an air purifier that I move between these two rooms. I just lift up her hoarded stuff, vacuum or dust, and place it back where I found it. Doing anything else generates a major freak out. She even freaks out by me just doing this. The areas that she controls (living room with attached dining room and kitchen) haven't been vacuumed or dusted in years. Like I said almost every available surface is covered. I plan to move my remaining books that are in four bookshelves from this common area thus leaving the entire area for her stuff. I am hoping she adopts a vertical strategy for her stuff in lieu of pruning it which appears to not be happening it anytime soon.
She leaves me a small space for meal preparation, but there is paper and nick nacks all around this small area. She is good about ensuring that food waste is properly disposed of and dishes and cooking/preparation surfaces are clean (I do a lot of cleaning myself as well as the bulk of cooking). She eats fast food about 1.5 - 2 times/day. She had done the bulk of the grocery shopping on her own, but now I am attending many shopping trips to ensure the food I need is purchased and to organzie the purchasing for the most economy (she is good about this as well except for purchasing high cost/low nutritional value which happens sometimes).
It seems she will choose the most difficult path when resolving home care issues. Recycling is an obsession even though I see a one off lets just throw it into the trash to get the process started makes more sense. Anything that has any sort of functional value must have a home found for it. She has ticked off many acquaintances by burdening them with this stuff.
If she goes through a box of stuff, many (if not most) items require a careful deliberation as to what should happen to it. She absolutely had to move a box and other stuff from next to our bed so that the bed frame could be replaced. She then spread it out in the only clean space in the house (my office). There it sits two days later as she laboriously works through the evaluation process.
I am looking for suggestions on how to proceed. I know the environmental conditions have been bad for us. It definitely impacted the kids growing up since they couldn't have friends over (I feel bad about this, but my 50-60 hour/week job at the time prevented more of an intervention).
Thanks.
FreepFryer
(7,086 posts)FreepFryer
(7,086 posts)Its more than just her in this, you are a couple - so make sure to take equal responsibility for the solution throughout and not isolate or resent her for what you may feel is her fault or condition alone.
Whatever the reality, We need help with this is much more likely to result in you two being able to accomplish a change than You need help with this.
Good luck!
exboyfil
(18,017 posts)I have been very insistent that my mother in law and my mom not confront her on these behaviors (her mom and dad were very critical of her growing up and she was the ugly duckling and undesirable fourth out of four - my mom was somewhat abusive towards me and criticized me for my life choices and not being more like my half brother). I understand I have issues as well, and I want to continue my lifetime commitment to our marriage. I have been positive, and I have tried to tell her how this impacts our lives.
FreepFryer
(7,086 posts)Sounds like you are making a good start.
Skittles
(159,949 posts)do you know if she is aware she is a hoarder? Would she self-identify as a hoarder?That makes a huge difference as far as treatment goes.
You need to reclaim the kitchen, for sure. The person who does the bulk of the cooking should have their preferred space for meal preparation.
exboyfil
(18,017 posts)She is into reality television and she does watch the hoarders shows. Emotionally on the other hand - I can't answer that. My youngest who is a mental health nurse has some thoughts on it, and it goes back to how she was treated by her family growing up (fourth out of four). I admit I wasn't the best husband to her early in our marriage (I grew up in a violent and abusive family, but I have never physically struck or grabbed my wife). I have always been faithful to her, and I do my best not to gossip and criticize her to others.
Skittles
(159,949 posts)I know from firsthand experience, although in my case it wasn't due to hoarding. I kind of felt like I had to protect people from my parents, they were a bit off the charts. That kind of upbringing stays with you, although to be honest it has served me well during the pandemic.....it is so much easier for me to be alone that it is for others.
If you came from an abusive family it is very likely you did the best you could so I hope you are not too hard on yourself. But it's not too late to make some changes. One thing that may help is for you to get together as a family (although initially without your wife)
to decide what to do. Listen to what the mental health daughter has to say. Get some suggestions. Let your kids talk about how her hoarding has affected them, too.
Wingus Dingus
(8,411 posts)find a counselor who specializes in hoarding. I have a brother and sister in law whose house I haven't been to in more than a decade, because of her hoarding. The last time I was there my sons were maybe 10-12 years old and spending the night with their cousins, and they had to follow paths through the stacks of stuff in the most of the downstairs--the upstairs I guess was better. My own parents who live 5 miles away haven't even been invited over in 10 years now. All family events are held at my parents' or other relatives' houses. No one addresses or speaks of it, and as far as I know she hasn't gotten help. My family does not talk about mental health issues, that falls under "mind your own business". If you have a daughter who's a nurse, she's the logical one to help you go about finding a professional and speaking with your wife about an intervention. Good luck.
SheltieLover
(59,812 posts)Sounds as if she had a tough upbringing, as many folks do.
I've read that many hoarders have significant trauma in their past & often seek to insulate themselves by surrounding themselves with stuff.
Does she admit she has an issue?
Does she have a reason for saving newspapers? Stories about a topic of interest can be clipped, placed in a file & the bulk of the paper recycled.
Psychology Today has a great therapist referral listing service. Ypu can do a web search for therapy for hoarders, couples therapy for hoarders, etc.
I fully agree with the above poster that it is important to approach this problem as a team working together.
Good luck!
sfdennis1
(34 posts)As someone who deals with hoarding tendencies myself, the 'bad news' is that is a serious, persistant and damaging mental compulsion/disorder that usually gets WORSE over time without treatment. And it can have devastating effects for both the hoarder themselves, as well as for any partners, family members etc that have to live with the effects. It's FAR more involved than "they're just disorganized" or "he/she/they are a pack rat". I've found some good educational resources/videos on YouTube and I'd suggest you begin by educating yourself about the nature, potential root causes (still very much being researched) and diagnosis of Hoarding Disorder. Hoarders are often intelligent, otherwise accomplished, and caring people...they aren't "bad" or "lazy" but ARE often in extreme denial about their condition. And will often fight ANY change tooth and nail...almost like an addict would fight when confronted with removing their "fix"...Recovery and improvement IS possible, but only once the hoarder has some understanding and clear realization of how "out of control" their life has become, and how it has impacted their relationships.
In any case, my hope if that YOU, poster, reach out for support and learn to take care of/satisfy your own needs for a "safe, sane and semi-organized" homespace, and set appropriate boundaries about how you will live YOUR life. Hopefully the hoarder you love ;-> will be open to receiving support (and usually, outside help) to begin healing this challenging compulsion...but you deserve to live a life that brings you contentent and joy.
hlthe2b
(106,571 posts)perhaps you could link a handful. It sounds like this could be a good place for the poster to start, but I agree totally on the need for outside help for his spouse.
hlthe2b
(106,571 posts)and that is made especially true the past two years given how hard it is to sell or donate things, given COVID. So, you will likely get suggestions on the latter, but the former might require some professional help. Those sentimental attachments once expanded to things that would be seemingly meaningless are very difficult to break. Even painful. It may require hiring someone who specializes in this to work one-on-one with her to at least get her started. It might well be the best $$$ you ever spent.
Good luck.
3Hotdogs
(13,484 posts)Blues Heron
(6,195 posts)even a single piece of paper or an envelope but preferably a whole bag of stuff. Emphasize the whole value of things is if they are being used by someone- not necessarily you guys. Try and get her to feel good about other people getting benefit from the stuff and how cool that would be.