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[HereSince1628]

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[Denninmi]

1. Well, when you get details, let us know, please.

I saw something in a link that suggests the administration is planning to do something which involves changing HIPPA.

As far as I'm concerned, they just threw us under the bus. But I'm trying to keep an open mind about it.

Here, in this thread. See No. 2:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022201400

[HereSince1628]

3. Yes I heard HIPPA mentioned, but what I heard was about clarification of HIPPA, not changes

and it shouldn't be forgotten that the states can make their own rules on gun permits, which may push things that the Obama administration didn't.

As my old military insigna said: Semper Vigilantes

[libodem]

2. I have long thought at least a 3 day cooling off period

Is important for a handgun purchase. Whether to prevent a suicide or a homoside it is better not to have a gun in hand during the 'heat of the moment'.

[libodem]

7. They scare me silly

I took care of an officer in the 80's that accidentally shot out his achilles tendon, at the firing range, while he sat, waiting his turn. Even trained professionals have accidents.

[Glaug-Eldare]

5. Not too terrifying, really.

I find it unsettling that the mentally ill are such a boogeyman recently, but I find encouragement in the fact that when you ask mental health professionals, they can separate their politics from their profession and provide unbiased information. For instance, when the MD Task Force on guns and the mentally ill reported that "significant mental illness" by itself is a weak indicator of risk for violence, and that comorbidity with substance abuse is a far more telling sign. Real answers can lead to real solutions, if the politicians will ever get their heads out of their asses. Here's hopin'.

[Glaug-Eldare]

11. It happens, but from what I was hearing during their deliberations,

the mental health professionals were not willing to let their patients' rights be thrown away based on flawed public perception. That was a very good sign to me that involving them in the lawmaking process will lead to much better solutions than leaving it entirely up to laymen.

[BainsBane]

6. Isn't mental health equity part of ACA?

I haven't read about the executive orders at all. I need to do that.

[fizzgig]

14. i thought equity was part of the aca

but i may be confused because it's law here in colorado.

[Neoma]

8. Crossing my fingers.

[Denninmi]

15. So I shouldn't overly concern myself just yet?

?

[Denninmi]

18. Vague language is never good in the law.

Who defines "dangerous"?

And, well, they could have found a better way to word "slipping through the cracks" so it sounded more "official".

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. Here is a worst-possible-case extrapolation. Don't know if it's RWNJ or not, let me know:

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/breaking-new-york-creates-psychiatric-police-state/

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. "Republicans Who Tout Mental Health As Response To Gun Violence Opposed Landmark Mental Health Law"

Last edited Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:38 PM - Edit history (1)

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/17/1460601/republicans-claim-mental-health-gun-violence-solution/?mobile=nc

As Republicans rushed to oppose President Obama’s gun violence prevention proposals on Wednesday, several lawmakers released statements echoing the National Rifle Association’s suggestion that “fixing our broken mental health system” is actually the best way to prevent future gun crimes. But when Congress considered a landmark mental health access bill in 2008, many of the same Republicans voted against it.

Accessing mental health services in the United States is harder than accessing a gun. In 2008, Congress took a step toward addressing that issue by passing the long-delayed Paul Wellstone and Pete Domenici Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act, which required most health insurance plans to start treating mental health services in the same way they treat all other medical care. The bill included exemptions for small businesses and those who opted not to cover mental health coverage at all, but House Republicans still overwhelmingly opposed the effort, 145 to 47.

(More at the link.)

"Accessing mental health services in the United States is harder than accessing a gun."

[Fire Walk With Me]

24. If all of this just comes down to the prison-industrial complex seeking more candidates to fill beds

in their for-profit prisons, then it makes more sense when a group such as ourselves becomes demonized and blacklisted. You can Google for private prisons, taxpayer funded, which advertise a 90% occupancy rate to its investors. Wells Fargo have enormous investments in this. The CCA have been doing drug sweeps at schools...!!! And considering that 46% of those in prison are there on drug-related offences, the "war on drugs" is victorious, in opening new markets for profiteers. Are we next?

[Denninmi]

25. Yes, we're next.

Comforting thought, isn't it.

Blood is in the water, and the sharks are circling.

Oh well, maybe they'll let all of us here be cell mates.

I think it's time to resurrect my 110% theory - if I am on my 110% best behavior at all times, it still won't matter because they will be looking for any excuse to lock me away.

At least I look pretty good in stripes, well, pinstripes at least.

[Denninmi]

27. Well, don't take me too seriously.

I'm ... Vocalizing my fears, I guess.

If you are in the Occupy movement, you have my deepest respect and admiration.

[Denninmi]

30. I highly doubt you lack empathy.

You seem to have plenty of it, IMHO.

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. I'm sorry; this is really not the place to post my fears along with detailed lists supporting them.

Please forgive me. Be well.

[Denninmi]

32. Hey, I do.

In gory detail. Kinda what this forum is for.

[Fire Walk With Me]

33. Thanks. I'm still new here and don't yet know the etiquette. Peace!