Does anyone here know about taking care of old office buildings?

[wryter2000]

I'm writing a Harlequin romance novel (yes, one of those), and I want my heroine to be in the business of restoring old office buildings in downtown Oakland. The buildings would date back to the 1920s or so. I especially need to know what kind of elevators such a building would have (not the original elevator, I would guess and how they would work or break down.

Can anyone supply that sort of information or point me to a source? TIA

[Angry Dragon]

1. try Otis elevators maybe

[wryter2000]

2. Thanks.

I might try some unions, if I can figure out which ones.

[mopinko]

3. dunno if you can find it, but there was a dirty jobs about this.

it was very interesting.
the big reason they break is dirt! mixed with the grease on the gears and cables, it can be like cement.
also, otis didn't invent elevators, they invented elevator brakes. might be a fruitful angle.

[wryter2000]

6. Thanks

I actually knew that about the brakes. That all happened in the 19th century, and my building would have been built later. Plus, I imagine the elevator would have been replaced at some point.

[Warpy]

10. Well, if your story were in Boston, the elevators would run on DC current

which is still supplied to the inner city by Boston Edison.

[Kolesar]

4. The operator caught me watching him as he man-handled the control levers

with the strong arms of a working man

[wryter2000]

7. LOL

Good one.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. What exactly would you want to know?

One could write a book (bad pun untended) about the upkeep of old office buildings.

As to the elevators, they could be of any age. Old ones can be endlessly rebuilt, but most get replaced by modern ones for economic reasons.

Modern ones tend to break down because of small electrical issues in the control circuits. (mostly computer controlled these days). The as so many redundant safety devices on elevators that we, literally, never hear of them falling. But there was a woman who was crushed in one just the other week due to a control malfunction. Here's a link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/nyregion/elevator-accident-kills-a-woman-in-a-madison-avenue-building.html?_r=1

[wryter2000]

8. I only want it to get stuck between floors for a while

Because my heroine has been restoring the building, she'd understand the elevators and could comment "Must be the flange-rotor" or something.

I picture the building going back to 1920 or so but with a replacement elevator installed in the 50s or 60s. Safe but not reliable.

I'd also like to know about renovation of other things. I'm hoping she might be working on some gold leaf ornamentation herself.

[Major Nikon]

9. I'm somewhat familiar with elevators going back to the 50's and up

The older ones I've seen haven't been any more or less reliable than newer ones, but they do tend to get renovated every other decade or so. The things that tend to wear out are the sensors that tell when the doors are activated or the location of the floor. The wiring that goes to the car tends to have problems because it moves all the time. Wires get old and crack and connections start to fail. In typical installations you have one small room on top of the elevator shaft one floor above the highest floor the elevator services. This houses the electrical service, the motor, the gearbox, and the control circuitry. We call this the elevator penthouse or machine room.

The earliest electric elevators didn't have control circuitry that told the elevator what floor it was on or exactly where the floor was. So they required an elevator operator who had a big rheostat (I think) type control that fed an AC motor(again I'm guessing) in the penthouse. I think an elevator from the 20's would be of this design. More modern controls were added as the elevators were renovated.

A typical renovation replaces all the sensors, wiring, and control circuits. This often requires a new panel inside the car. Often the motor, gearbox, and brake are replaced or overhauled along with the steel cables. The car itself is rarely replaced on an elevator, along with the rails inside the shaft. Pulleys and/or bearings are replaced or overhauled.

Most people who have their elevator renovated get an elevator company to do it. Most states require periodic inspections of public use elevators by certified elevator repair people. I don't know if these certifications are required to work on or renovate an elevator. If our elevators require anything more than a reset, we call the elevator folks with whom we have a contract.

[wryter2000]

12. Thank you

That's very helpful. In an older building where I worked, elevator problems often occurred because the elevator didn't know where it was, relative to a certain floor. I think I can use that.

[NMDemDist2]

11. can't it just be a power outage?? n/t

[wryter2000]

13. Thanks. That could be an option

I wasn't thinking in those directions, but that could work, too.

[TygrBright]

17. There's some good elevator stuff in Arthur Hailey's "Hotel"... n/t

[wryter2000]

18. Than you!

I have this thread bookmarked, obviously.

Unfortunately, the book was a close but no cigar with the publisher, so I'm not sure when or if I'll be writing it.

[wryter2000]

16. Thank you!

That's awesome.

[Tetrachloride]

19. Send me a mail

I can critique your story and or outline if you like. I have not much to do until I get my cast off my foot.

[wryter2000]

20. Hi, I posted this a long time ago

That story got rejected. It got close, though. Many thanks.

[left-of-center2012]

22. The opening post is asking about elevators

[wryter2000]

23. Sorry I missed it

Thanks for speaking up for my OP, though.

[left-of-center2012]

24. Anything to boost our post count, right?