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DemocratSinceBirth

(100,346 posts)
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:18 PM Jul 2016

Happy 4th of July-my brother, 1SBM/Posted at his request





“What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?”

Frederick Douglass
July 5, 1852

Mr. President, Friends and Fellow Citizens:

He who could address this audience without a quailing sensation, has stronger nerves than I have. I do not remember ever to have appeared as a speaker before any assembly more shrinkingly, nor with greater distrust of my ability, than I do this day. A feeling has crept over me, quite unfavorable to the exercise of my limited powers of speech. The task before me is one which requires much previous thought and study for its proper performance. I know that apologies of this sort are generally considered flat and unmeaning. I trust, however, that mine will not be so considered. Should I seem at ease, my appearance would much misrepresent me. The little experience I have had in addressing public meetings, in country schoolhouses, avails me nothing on the present occasion.

The papers and placards say, that I am to deliver a 4th [of] July oration. This certainly sounds large, and out of the common way, for it is true that I have often had the privilege to speak in this beautiful Hall, and to address many who now honor me with their presence. But neither their familiar faces, nor the perfect gage I think I have of Corinthian Hall, seems to free me from embarrassment.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july/

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Happy 4th of July-my brother, 1SBM/Posted at his request (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 OP
Thanks, DSB and 1SBM! brer cat Jul 2016 #1
K & R Iliyah Jul 2016 #2
K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #3
K&R sheshe2 Jul 2016 #4
K&R betsuni Jul 2016 #5
Very good. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #6
KnR Hekate Jul 2016 #7
I understand this is the AA group, however DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #8
I proudly join the chorus BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #9
Kick and Rec! emulatorloo Jul 2016 #10
Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #11
Excellent - K&R MaggieD Jul 2016 #12
Happy 4th to you, 1SB lovemydog Jul 2016 #13
K&R PJMcK Jul 2016 #14
K&R DesertRat Jul 2016 #15
HUGE K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #16
K & R mountain grammy Jul 2016 #17
K&R! and a Happy and safe fourth of July to all! Stellar Jul 2016 #18
K&R ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #19

DonCoquixote

(13,716 posts)
8. I understand this is the AA group, however
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jul 2016

Like many Sages, Douglas pointed to things that were indeed speak to everyone:

. To say now that America was right, and England wrong, is exceedingly easy. Everybody can say it; the dastard, not less than the noble brave, can flippantly discant on the tyranny of England towards the American Colonies. It is fashionable to do so; but there was a time when to pronounce against England, and in favor of the cause of the colonies, tried men’s souls. They who did so were accounted in their day, plotters of mischief, agitators and rebels, dangerous men.

The reason why I bring this up is that in England, whose children adapted racism against brown and black, there was just an action that oh yes, did reflect the continued scorn many English have for Brown and Black. Yes, let the far left speak about how Brexit was some strike against Tyranny, but we know that what got the numbers into the voting booth was the hatred of brown and black, the feeling that they were somehow stealing the future from Old White Men. It is sad to think that after 1776 at Yorktown, after 1916 in Dublin, after 1947 in India, many in England still think the world revolves around THEM, and the Brown and Black are just there to be used.

How does this pertain to us, the American modern brown and black, well, it goes to Douglas speech We are a YOUNG nation, still capable of unlearning England's bad habits, racism among them. Douglas speaks of us as an adolescent, right now, this country is at the point where it is developing the bad tendencies that always run in our family and picking up the bad habits of Europe, the political equivalent of smoking Mother Europe's same brand of cigarettes (which of course are farmed by brown and black slave labor) and drinking the same nasty, bitter beer Dad did. But we, unlike England, can say "allright, I know we could become this type of nation, but we do not want to be, if for no other reason than when we are older, we do not want to be as sick as our parents." The purpose of rebelling against racism and all the other isms we inherited is because we know that we do not want to become just another barely functioning addict of a nation. Let us reject the path of other nations, and say "we will be the people we should be" and if that brings down every july 4th shiny symbol, so be it.

Sorry England, for all our nation's faults, I like Douglas, am glad we are not part of you. Yes you got rid of slavery first, but who the hell brought it here, and who the hell profited off Southern Cotton? You had a chance to show that you were grown up, you failed, and it is NO accident that Trump, America's great reinforcer of bad cultural habits, was the first to cheer you on as you did. This is the same bastard who cheers when his followers beat up black people, that should warn you.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
13. Happy 4th to you, 1SB
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jul 2016

& my friends here.

This Frederick Douglass speech is one of the best in history.

PJMcK

(22,980 posts)
14. K&R
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

Happy Fourth of July to you, DemocratSinceBirth and to your brother!

Thanks for the speech. I had not read it before. It's unsurprisingly brilliant, given that Frederick Douglass wrote it.

BumRushDaShow

(143,587 posts)
16. HUGE K&R
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jul 2016

And one of his most famous.

Even today, there are citizens who don't understand the mixed feelings that a whole segment of this nation's population has regarding this country's liberation and creation of a new government, because that liberation only applied to certain people and not the rest. Basically, my ancestors were chattel and none of the rules applied, even if freed or born free. Several years after Douglass gave that speech, the Supreme Court rendered that infamous decision in the Dred Scott case -

New-York Daily Times

<...>

Washington, Friday, March 6 (1857) - The opinion of the Supreme Court in the Dred Scott Case was delivered by Chief Justice Taney. It was a full and elaborate statement of the views of the Court. They have decided the following important points:

First - Negroes, whether slaves or free, that is, men of the African race, are not citizens of the United States by the Constitution.

Second - The Ordinance of 1787 had no independent constitutional force or legal effect subsequently to the adoption of the Constitution, and could not operate of itself to confer freedom or citizenship within the Northwest Territory on negroes not citizens by the Constitution.

Third - The provisions of the Act of 1820, commonly called the Missouri Compromise, in so far as it undertook to exclude negro slavery from, and communicate freedom and citizenship to, negroes in the northern part of the Louisiana cession, was a Legislative act exceeding the powers of Congress, and void, and of no legal effect to that end.

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0306.html#article
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