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IzzaNuDay

(651 posts)
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 03:05 PM Apr 2023

The latest in misogynoir: Keith Olberman

Frankly, I would have thought KO would know better, do better. But his first tweet volley directed at LSU bball player Angel Reese after the NCAA women’s basketball championship game was disrespectful and disgusting. The Twitterverse leveraged no mercy to KO, and he tried to backtrack his words.



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The latest in misogynoir: Keith Olberman (Original Post) IzzaNuDay Apr 2023 OP
Misogyny? Lunabell Apr 2023 #1
Yes, when the same white player did it and didn't face any backlash. rogue emissary Apr 2023 #3
Misogynoir-- misogyny against Black women IzzaNuDay Apr 2023 #8
Thank you! Lunabell Apr 2023 #9
Definitely sexist, I would expect better of him Walleye Apr 2023 #2
Misogyny....? With all due respect, I don't really see it that way. IowaGuy Apr 2023 #4
So it's OK to call her a F'n idiot? IzzaNuDay Apr 2023 #7
Try reading my post again.... IowaGuy Apr 2023 #11
Just no more talk about how sports builds character. MarcA Apr 2023 #5
Clark is still going to be the #1 pick on draft day MichMan Apr 2023 #6
How does that matter to this thread? rogue emissary Apr 2023 #10

rogue emissary

(3,216 posts)
3. Yes, when the same white player did it and didn't face any backlash.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 04:21 PM
Apr 2023

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I'm a fan of KO, but disappointed he jumped on this particular bandwagon.

IowaGuy

(780 posts)
4. Misogyny....? With all due respect, I don't really see it that way.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:15 PM
Apr 2023

A little further context for those that may have not seen it, or the surrounding events leading up to it.

In Iowa's previous game against South Carolina, Caitlin engaged in some back and forth trash talking or rather imagery (Caitlin rarely talks on the floor) with some SC players regarding her sagging off their perimeter players to clog up the paint in a zone against their bigs. Pretty much every team that has played SC has used a similar strategy. SC players were trying to goad her into coming out and guard them at the 3 point line, she wasn't biting and waved one player off, daring her to shoot....she didn't, the SC player decided to pass the ball. Pretty normal stuff that happens in any game on any playground, high school gym, YMCA, college gym or the NBA every day. Caitlin also pulled out that Cena wave during that game when running down the floor after making a deep 3 pointer. She did not get in anybodies face or direct it towards any specific player...she was racing back down the floor to get back on defense and her back was to the SC team. Playing to the crowd it appeared to me, I doubt anybody from SC even saw it in real time. The whole wave lasted maybe one second. I personally am not a fan of that stuff, but it has become a part of the game over the last several decades....anybody playing ball just has to have a thick skin and accept that.

Later on, in a press conference, Louisiana players were getting all amped up calling it disrespectful, etc and going into major poutrage over it. OK, whatever it takes to get you up for their upcoming game against Iowa. Coaches use stuff like that all the time to try and get their players on edge. Incidentally, in the Final 4 game that Louisiana won to get to the championship, they were pulling the same finger wagging theater long before the game was over, taunting their opponents, this is before they even got into the championship game......apparently its OK for them to show disrespect.

Championship game comes....both teams are playing hard and players on both sides are demonstrating outstanding basketball skills.
Louisiana is shooting lights out and giving Iowa fits. It looks dim for Iowa at half time, yet Iowa fans and the Iowa team are not panicking. They've been there before...I've seen them come back from 17 down with 4 minutes to go before. They have a history of being able to really light it up. Refs, however are clearly not up to the task....that's another story for another day.

Towards the end of the game Reese and Caitlin were standing next to each other on the lane during foul shots and Reese starts doing the whole finger waving and Cena theater in Caitlin's face, trying to get into her head. Fair enough, although a little delusional to think she could get into Caitlin's head. Eventually Louisiana pulls ahead and wins the game. Congratulations to Louisiana....they won and despite the refs mucking up what could have been of the greatest games ever, I am not one to blame it on them. Louisiana shot better, defended better and rebounded better. They deserved the W.

But now we come to after the game behavior of Reese. After the game was over she kept getting in Caitlin's face, wagging her finger and taunting Caitlin. The game was over, the time for trash talking was over...it was all decided. Caitlin was just trying to get over to the rest of her team to join the traditional handshake line-up and Reese kept circling her, taunting. The entire Iowa team walked the line at the scorers table and shook the coaching staffs hands and congratulated them. Reese nor did most of her team mates participate...just the coaches. I'll leave it to you to judge what that says about character of the individuals and their own ability to show respect.

As to Keith's take on it being misogynistic....no way. I see nothing about because it was a woman he said that. Was it over the top criticism of her intelligence. Yes....definitely. A more accurate description of her after game behavior was immature. I can give her a break for that. She is only 20 years old and has never been on a stage like that before and did not handle her emotions well. If she is lucky, over time she will get guidance from coaches, family, friends and just the normal maturation process and be able to handle situations like that with more grace. If not she will just be another dumb jock that people look at as being on over-entitled asshole. The ball is in her court.


IzzaNuDay

(651 posts)
7. So it's OK to call her a F'n idiot?
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:31 AM
Apr 2023

Yes, I followed the games. But I still don’t think Angel Reese should be called a “F’ng idiot”. She displayed classical trash talk sign languages.

NBA players do this trash sign language regularly but I don’t see them being called that name.

IowaGuy

(780 posts)
11. Try reading my post again....
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:17 PM
Apr 2023

I said questioning Reese's intellect was over the top. If you got from that I thought that it was ok to call her a fuk'n idiot perhaps you are the one that needs remedial reading comprehension courses. Getting snippy with me when I agree with you re: it was not right for KO to say that is not a very well thought out talking point.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
5. Just no more talk about how sports builds character.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:47 PM
Apr 2023

Actually that seems to be the exception to the rule. Nothing really new, just more media exposure now.

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