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raccoon

(31,486 posts)
Sat May 17, 2014, 07:18 PM May 2014

I'm looking for a book about the real reasons for various wars.


I don't know if such a book exists, but it should.

I've been reading about WWI, and one reason mentioned for the US getting involved
in it is that the US had loaned a lot of money to the UK and France and if they lost the
war, the US would never get the money back. To me that has the ring of truth to it.

Every war I've ever heard of, there is an official reason for going to war (WMD, for instance)
and a REAL reason. The real reasons don't sound as noble as the official reason.

So...can anyone direct me to a book about this?


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I'm looking for a book about the real reasons for various wars. (Original Post) raccoon May 2014 OP
If I can't find one, you should write it. Neoma May 2014 #1
Oil, Money, God, Revenge. rocktivity May 2014 #2
War and peace pscot May 2014 #3
Great book Zorro Oct 2015 #14
"The Politics of War" by Walter Karp bemildred Jun 2014 #4
Ken Follett oldandhappy Jul 2014 #5
Are you referring to "Fall of Giants: Book One of the Century Trilogy" and the raccoon Jul 2014 #6
Yes. I may read the first two again while waiting for number three. Good stuff. oldandhappy Jul 2014 #7
Maybe you can be happy and old! Smile. oldandhappy Jul 2014 #8
The natural conservatism Sweeney Dec 2014 #9
One book and one thought larry-cur Jan 2015 #10
The March of Folly by Barbara Tuchman lovemydog May 2015 #11
A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East PufPuf23 Jun 2015 #12
Not quite what you're looking for, but ... Auggie Oct 2015 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #15

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
1. If I can't find one, you should write it.
Sat May 17, 2014, 07:31 PM
May 2014

I'll get back to you tomorrow about if there is one like that.

pscot

(21,037 posts)
3. War and peace
Sat May 17, 2014, 09:16 PM
May 2014

Seriously. Tolstoy was a pacifist. He had a theory of history and he used Napoleon's invasion of Russia to expand on his ideas. The people he writes about are ordinary people swept up in the war. People make out that it's hard to read because of the names, but really it's about 3 families and the circles they move in; their marriages and money trouble; trying to figure out how they fit into the world. It's not a lot more complicated than reading Jane Austen, and like Austen, Tolstoy is a very great writer with a deep understanding of how people behave and why. it's one of those books that seems better each time you read it. I found a free copy for my e-reader at Project Gutenberg

Zorro

(16,389 posts)
14. Great book
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:26 PM
Oct 2015

I read it decades ago. I recall it took getting through the first 250 pages or so before it gets really absorbing, though. Couldn't quite get into Anna Karenina the same way.

Gutenberg is a great resource for reading classic literature from the past several centuries for free. I've been quite entertained reading H. Rider Haggard's writings, among many others.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. "The Politics of War" by Walter Karp
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:43 AM
Jun 2014

Then there is "The March of Folly" and "The Guns of August" by Barbara Tuchman
And "A Peace to End all Peace" by Fromkin

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
5. Ken Follett
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:11 PM
Jul 2014

is writing a three book series about this. The first one and second one are out. The third one will be out in the fall of 2014. Check at your library. You may have to wait a few weeks as the books are more popular than I would have guessed. Well researched and well written.

raccoon

(31,486 posts)
6. Are you referring to "Fall of Giants: Book One of the Century Trilogy" and the
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:51 AM
Jul 2014

other books in the same trilogy?

PS--I wish I'd thought of your handle before you did!



Sweeney

(505 posts)
9. The natural conservatism
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:39 PM
Dec 2014

of all of humanity keeps them from striking out for justice in their own lands, so they suffer injustice until they have the opportunity to export injustice, and take justice from others.
Sweeney

larry-cur

(1 post)
10. One book and one thought
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jan 2015

Take a look at "The Untold History of the United States" by Oliver Stone at al. It will give some insight into the U.S. reasons for involvements of various sorts in the past 100 years.

On a more basic level, as long as there is a differences between self and others or us and them or our team and their team (etc.) there will be fruit for conflict which can and often does lead to attempts at an aggressive solution.

Good luck in your quest.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
11. The March of Folly by Barbara Tuchman
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:29 PM
May 2015

might be a good place to start. It's a great read.

Another essential one is A People's History of the American Empire, by Howard Zinn.

PufPuf23

(9,282 posts)
12. A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jun 2015

Auggie

(31,850 posts)
13. Not quite what you're looking for, but ...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:22 PM
Oct 2015

I found Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power by Rachel Maddow particularly interesting.

Written with bracing wit and intelligence, Rachel Maddow's Drift argues that we've drifted away from America's original ideals and become a nation weirdly at peace with perpetual war. To understand how we've arrived at such a dangerous place, Maddow takes us from the Vietnam War to today's war in Afghanistan, along the way exploring Reagan's radical presidency, the disturbing rise of executive authority, the gradual outsourcing of our war-making capabilities to private companies, the plummeting percentage of American families whose children fight our constant wars for us, and even the changing fortunes of G.I. Joe. Ultimately, she shows us just how much we stand to lose by allowing the scope of American military power to overpower our political discourse.
Sensible yet provocative, dead serious yet seri­ously funny, Drift will reinvigorate a "loud and jangly" political debate about our vast and confounding national security state.

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