Grinnell attempts 111 3-point shots in 124-67 win over Emmaus Bible College.

[underpants]

Grinnell 124 Emmaus Bible 67. Grinnell attempted 111 3's. This breaks Troy's 109 attempts in their 258-141 game in 1992 over DeVry. Yes DeVry had a team.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35218351/grinnell-college-sets-ncaa-record-111-3-point-shots-game

[Casady1]

1. How the 3 point shot

ruined basketball.

[TheRealNorth]

2. Not imo

I prefer basketball today as opposed to the big guys just trying to bump and "outmuscle" the other guy out of the post.

The shooting and slashing drives&passes are much more entertaining imo.

[Casady1]

3. Less slashing today

this is basketball at the highest level. Watch the fast break instead of one person controlling everything like LeBron, Trey Young or Doncic. see what the post can do.

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[bahboo]

4. best team of all time, in my opinion...

[Casady1]

6. no argument from me

and I don't even like the Celtics. They were huge size wise.

[List left]

5. Wow nt

[ProfessorGAC]

7. Oscar Robertson, Pete Maravich,...

...Nate Archibald, John Stockton, Dave Bing, and others controlled all the action. These players covered 25 to 50+ years ago, all but one before the 3 point era.
Also, those 80s Celtics were not a running team. Their strength was in the precision of their half-court offense and having 3 guys that moved without the ball & 2 very good post players.
Their contemporaries, the Lakers were the fast break team of that era.
Besides you referenced a team that existed completely in the 3 point era. So, the line on the floor ruined nothing, based on your own example.
Then, there are more "off the bounce" slashers playing now than in the 80s. Not like a Worthy or Pippen, slashing without the ball, but angled attackers of the rim nonetheless.
You may not like the spread offenses played today, but that's a matter of taste, not a good or bad thing.

[Casady1]

8. I started watching in 1965

and I played until my forties. I copied my game after Joihn Havlicek and yes the Celtics vs. the Lakers of the eighties were half court vs full court. I have watched every finals since 1965

Parrish was not really a post player. He was a mid range shooter. McHale is probably the finest post up player( Better than Wilt who I saw play many times). Walton was and is the finest passing center of all time and that includes Jokic who plays more of the point than center.

I played over 2,000 games with the rookie of the year of the first women's professional league.(Sandra Smallwood)

Even Barkley says today's game is a shooting contest.

The spread offense has way less slashers as people stand around the 3 point line for set shots.

There is way less actual movement on the court today. Cutting off the low post is the ultimate in moving without the ball.

The Trailblazers and Knicks of the seventies always moved without the ball. Go watch the Blazers and read David Halberstam's book " Breaks of the game"

I ran into Dave Bing, Ron Behagen and Jim Brewer in downtown Atlanta and I said to Dave-"I remember when you jumped center for Syracuse and I said to Behagen and Brewer that I remember when you beat the shit out of Luke Witte and they said to me "You are a real fan".

By the way I have always thought Maravich was a total ballhog and anyone who played streetball remembers those guys and hated to play with them

Read this. Not a single GM wanted Maravich because he drained teams of playing together.

https://from-way-downtown.com/2021/10/27/%EF%BF%BCpistol-pete-maravich-fires-back-1975/

The three point line has the game out of balance.

[ProfessorGAC]

9. Agreed On McHale

Man of a thousand moves. I saw Parrish with the Bulls and he was in the post a lot there. Hut, he'd shift to the high post to be the triangle swing man when MJ went to the post. They used to regular try getting him going early by feeding him in the post. Drove the defense nuts, because they couldn't focus on MJ.. But, he was no McHale in the post.
Still disagree on court movement, other than the game relies on a shooter controlling the ball while standing shooters keep the defense spread out. But, there are still lots of NBA guys who run off screens without the ball. Every team, almost, has at least one. Geez, the Warriors have 3! Curry, Thompson & Poole are not catch & shoot guys. Admittedly, they're an exception.
I understand about Maravich. My coaches understood that, too! LOL! Because, like every other white kid in the early 70s, I wanted to be like Pete. That said, I was a high flyer. (White men CAN jump!) So, I wasn't a gunner. I attacked the basket and dared the big guys to stop me. If they stepped out early, I had an easy pass to our tall guys!
I got away with it though, because I also modeled my game, defensively, after Norm Van Lier & Walt Frazier. Taking defense seriously makes coaches happy. I was very good at ball denial. That's what Norm & Clyde did. If you can't get the ball, you can't score. Nothing more complicated than that.
Here's where DO agree on the e pointer. Since I retired, I substitute teach. I see lots of 6th, 7th & 8th grade players and they're all shooting 3s. They don't have the form, the release or the strength to be shooting 20 footers, so the extra push makes their form worse. They're not learning how to be better shooters. You've got 50% free throw shooters hoisting up 20 footers while guarded. Dumb
If I was coaching, I would disallow 3s unless there were 3 seconds or less at the end of a period.
I'd rather have them coming off screens shooting 12 footers with reliable, repeatable form.
It's at the lower level where the game is out of balance. We agree completely when it comes to amateur b-ball.

[Casady1]

10. Here is where I disagree with you

Bob Gross, Havlicek, Bradley, Marin and McMillan all moved without the ball. They hardly dribbled. The small forward who started to dribble was Dr. J. I was at a playoff game in Buffalo where Macadoo scored 41. Ramsey was the coach and Ernie D and Randy Smith were the guards. Marin and Gar Heard were on the team.

I stole my best move from Chet Walker. That Bulls team with butterbean, VanLier and Sloan was excellent. The Knicks could beat the Lakers but they had a hard time with the Bulls. Because of the 3 point line no one develops a post game. Van lier took charges better than anyone.

Finally, Earl the pearl was a better one on one player than Maravich and a far superior player.

Curry is the greatest shooter ever.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. I Loved The Pearl

But he was a lazy defender in Baltimore. Playing with Clyde & Willis changed his sense of defense a lot.
MacAdoo is very forgotten & underrated. We agree on that.
I disagree on J being the first shooting forward to dribble. Elgin Baylor tooks LOTS of guys off the dribble and he played way before Irving. There's always been some guys who were their best off the bounce. Baylor was one of them. But, we agree that the Nets & Sixers ran everything through the Doc, facing the basket with the ball in his hands. At least until Mo Cheeks came along. Then, Doc said "Here, you take the ball."
Maravich was 50% player, 50% entertainer. I might think that's more ok than you do, though. I see all sports as some form or other of entertainment.
I will say that Pete made his name putting up gaudy numbers while his dad was head coach. Not sure many other coaches would have tolerated that. But. I have a higher opinion of him than you. He was shooting from 23 feet when it was still only worth 2, and he shot 45% for his career. Had their been a 3 line, he certainly would have averaged more than his 24ppg. I'll go with you that he should have averaged more than 5 & a half assists per game.
I noticed you didn't mention Boerwinkle! Actually, he was a really good passer and mostly played high post. Good position to slide over & set screens.
BTW: because this is Chicago area, it was in the sports news this week. Bob Love turned 80 this past Thursday!
I met him when I was about 14. I was staggered by his size. 6'8" and thick. He was the closest thing I'd seen, up to that point, to a giant. Boy, were his hands HUGE.

[Casady1]

12. Baylor was the original

and I tell that to all people. What I meant is Dr. J changed the position as opposed to Baylor. He was a oneoff.
Black Jesus was a real showman. Earl kept improving his whole career. Not so with Maravich. I think Maravich was the best dribbler. No palming back then.
I did see Pettit play on TV.

[Casady1]

13. Great Larry Bird story

[ProfessorGAC]

14. Heard That Story Before

An add to that story is that in that first scrimmage, Daly only played Jordan about 7 minutes, and never on the floor with Pippen. MJ was annoyed because he wants to win everything, all the time.
The second day, after the Mahic/Larry lesson, Daly turned Michael loose. Coach K said they the pros won that second scrimmage by at least 50.

[Casady1]

15. Mashburn is great

at telling that story. They all were amazed how big Bird was. Charles interviewed Doncic two days ago and said that the Mav's should run more to stop the one on one play and Doncic was funny. He said "I'm slow" laughed and then agreed with Chuck.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. Agreed!

He tells it superbly.
I ran into Charles Oakley at a charity event at the Union League in Chicago back in the 80s. Man, was he huge! Not just tall but thick & wide. And, at the time I was 5'9" and around 140#. Gigantic.
Several years later, my wife & I were at the China Club and we ran into BJ Armstrong. On TV, he looked like this little bitty guy, but he was 5 inches taller than me and 35-40# heavier. And, he was one of the small guys!
Until they're right next to you, it's hard to conceive how big they really are.