and where do I write how much I hate NFL players going into the showmanship dance

[a kennedy]

for a tackle in the first quarter of a preseason game?? P L E A S E guys, you’re paid to do that. Gawd I hate that. Just do your job and quit with the showmanship, you might be gone soon. Ugh……

[Jamesm9164]

1. That is why I no longer watch or care about the NFL.

[SeanHG]

2. RIGHT!?!

Act like you've been there before, FFS!

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3. That's what old fogeies back in the day used to say. They didn't even want the players to spike the ball...

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when they scored. Thank God the players said to hell with that NO Fun League stuff and started celebrating when they scored which drove up their salaries and now players, mostly Black guys btw, make generational wealth for their families if they stick and play and get paid for a few years.

That's what it's all about...to not just play and make money for the owners and the league...but to get PAID.

[stopdiggin]

4. tell me that again, the next time you see a 2nd grader

trash talking and gyrating around like moron on the field. Can't tell you how much the heart soars with the moment ...

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5. Yeah, right, 2nd graders. Where'd you dig up that ridiculousness? Link pls.

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QBs are making from 40 to even 50 million a year now. Recievers up to 30 million, edge rushers and defensive tackles in the same range, as are left tackles. Running backs have been devalued as the passing game is now the focus. Their pay rate is low — 12 to 18 million of so.

It's real money now.

Doesn't sound like you know very much about the game and the modern-day pay structure.

Players play to win for sure, but they also play to secure their families with generational wealth...not for just the owners and the league to get rich.

It's real money now. It's about getting paid as their careers are not long and there's the risk of injury.

Come back from the old way of thinking.

[MichMan]

7. Players get paid a bonus depending on their on field antics?

When did this start?

Sounds like Running Backs need to celebrate after every run like they just scored the game winning TD.

"We will give you $10 million a year base salary, but if you run around after every play doing dance moves, the team will increase it by $250k per incident. We will need a video submitted so as to determine if it meets the criteria"

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9. More silliness. I explained in my first response to you that player celebrations let to visibility of...

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and players not being nameless toilers on the NFL wheel, which eventually increased salaries a thousand, even ten thousand-fold, menaing up to 50 million A YEAR for QBs...real money, not chump change.

And the huge leap in compensation can't be denied no matter how the naysayers try. It's about getting PAID.

As for the imagined $250 an incident foolishness you wrote about, come on, we're talking about millionaire player negotiating with billionaire owners for just compensation.

Sound like the green-eyed monster is in the house. And where's the link of the 2nd grader you mention before, as if that actually happened.

[stopdiggin]

10. outstanding players have always been recognized

(although compensation has increased as you note - for both journeymen and stars)
It's your insistence on a direct correlation between on field celebration and player compensation that seems - a bit tenuous?

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11. To you maybe, but I've been following the NFL since...

the Unitas Baltimore Colts playing the "Greatest Game Ever Played" in 1959, and there's a direct correlation from when they started celebrating on-field after a score or great play and salary increases. Before that it was similar to baseball players locked to a single team and what they would pay by the 'Reserve Clause.'

Once Curt Flood sued and got that anachronism broken, players got free agency and salaries increased explosively.

The players, and their union, made it happen and in the same time era that it happened in baseball, the '60s, the decade that rebellion was sweeping the entire nation.

[stopdiggin]

12. something 'happening at the same time' - is not a great argument for 'causation'

as I'm sure you're aware. And that's kind of the sticking point. As both of us have already pointed to much better compensation for the players ... (and, I think, with the same approval?) You might be willing to agree that there are a host of other factors involved here - above and beyond choreography taking place on the field?

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13. It was the zeitgeist of the times, the '60s. But one question: What have you got against players celebrating?

IMO expressing joy and emotion is a good thing and adds to the game. What's up with your objections?

[MichMan]

14. You didn't read it very closely

I stated $250k as in $250,000

I wasn't the poster who said anything about 2nd graders by the way

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15. I read it again. It's in the same vein as the original post.

My opinion stays the same. I don't get at all the anti-player attitudes of some. Green-eyed monster maybe?

[MichMan]

16. Anti player, because I don't like it when a team down 20 points dances around after recovering a fumble in the 4th ?

Like they just won the game.

Why is it penalized in amateur athletics, as it is considered taunting ?

What would you say if a traffic cop did it after writing someone a speeding ticket?

[brush]

17. Oh boy. Such resentment. Maybe just learn to enjoy the game...

and appreciate the athleticism of best players in the sport...the ones who've made it to the highest level.

[MichMan]

18. I think I'll focus my appreciation of athleticism on things like passing, catching and running with the football

You know, the play on the field, instead of their post play dance moves.

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19. Such resentment. Never made the team?

[MichMan]

20. The dance team?

[Xavier Breath]

6. I don't care for it in the first quarter of the pre-season

or the fourth quarter of the super bowl. It's reached absolute ridiculousness today with the choregraphed team celebrations because someone recovered a fumble. Barry Sanders is my all-time favorite player, in no small part because he had the grace and maturity to just hand the ball to the ref after a score. Well, and he also had an insane amount of talent, too.

[MichMan]

8. I hate it when a defender does it after a tackle

Their team can be losing by 2 TD's, after they got burned for a couple long plays by the opposing team, but let them tackle a guy for a loss of a couple yards, and they act like they just won the Super Bowl.