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Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:26 PM Nov 2015

Do You Drive Stick? Fans of Manual Transmission Can’t Let Go

Alan Macey is clutching the past. Three years ago, he persuaded his wife to ditch the family automatic for a car with a manual transmission, once commonly known as the stick shift. But the 33-year-old Michigan man, a designer at Jeep, part of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV, knows only too well the downshifting fortunes of the stick.

The proportion of cars and light trucks in the U.S. sold with manual transmissions has fallen to around 7% in 2014 from 35% in 1980, according to WardsAuto, which keeps data on car manufacturing and sales. The decline is expected to accelerate as high-performance sports cars, once holdouts, increasingly shift to hybrid automatics.

While some young buyers still crave the clutch, most are disinclined to manually shift gears, according to Clay Voorhees, an associate professor at Michigan State University, who studies the attitude of millennials toward cars.

“The high of getting the Facebook update outweighs the emotional high of experiencing the G-forces of going around a corner,” Mr. Voorhees said. In other words, he explained, “Driving a manual is going to make you less able to text or check your phone.”

Mr. Macey is among those in the minority. “We find joy in those fleeting moments between ratios; the crescendo of rpm, the gentle click of the gate, the building inertia in our chest as the drivetrain becomes whole again,” he wrote in a manifesto that helped give birth to The Manual Gearbox Preservation Society, a movement in the making whose Facebook page has 27 likes.

With advances in automatic-transmission technology, stick-shift adherents confess that their oft-used arguments about fuel economy and performance are starting to slip like a worn clutch. A proliferation of gears means automatics are now better able to keep engines in their “sweet spots” where they run most efficiently, said Ed Hellwig, executive editor at Edmunds.Com.

Stick supporters instead fall back on describing the intangible feeling of downshifting around a corner. Or they point out that learning how to drive a stick-shift car—a true lesson in fits and starts—pays off when renting a car in Europe, where the manual transmission remains popular.

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Three-pedal purists have made an impact on the high-end sports-car market. Used Ferraris and Lamborghinis with manuals now sell for $15,000 to $20,000 more than those with paddle-shift gear boxes, which have no clutch pedal and small paddle-shaped shifters, said Ted Taormina, who repairs exotic sports cars in San Carlos, Calif.

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Sports-car salesmen in Silicon Valley describe test drives with prospective buyers stuck in the passenger seat because they hadn’t mastered the stick. Yet, they still made the sale. Driving instructors are still asked to pass along the dying art of heel-and-toe driving. Graham Gullett, who has a driving school in Atlanta, argues that people who drive manual transmissions are more engaged and pay closer attention to the road.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/do-you-drive-stick-fans-of-manual-transmission-cant-let-go-1447120357

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Do You Drive Stick? Fans of Manual Transmission Can’t Let Go (Original Post) question everything Nov 2015 OP
I insisted both my daughters learn to drive a stick ... GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #1
Today I drove 232 miles in my 5 speed stick. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #2
Running where it runs best. edgineered Nov 2015 #3
2 vehicles with manual transmissions - one a 5-speed and one 6-speed DrDan Dec 2015 #4
Driving schools AnimalLover10 Dec 2015 #5
They didn't when I was in school. 47of74 Jan 2016 #6
I learned how to drive stick first 47of74 Jan 2016 #7
I love my 2005 Ford Focus 5-speed- even here in San Francisco, with all the uphill and downhill. NBachers Aug 2016 #8
And if the country wasn't full of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #12
Yeah I had a bumper barnacle last night 47of74 Jun 2017 #13
Took my driver's license on a stick. I've almost always had one. Auggie Sep 2016 #9
My first car was... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #10
Been driving stick for 20+ Years Drumron Dec 2016 #11
in the near future this is going to move melm00se Jun 2017 #14

GeorgeGist

(25,437 posts)
1. I insisted both my daughters learn to drive a stick ...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

the youngest (39) recently lamented that she couldn't hardly find one and none in the type of vehicle she wanted.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,011 posts)
2. Today I drove 232 miles in my 5 speed stick.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:17 PM
Nov 2015

Car is now 21 years old
. Used1/2 tank of gas ( about 9 gallons) and was running air conditioning half the time.

She hit 70 with ease, and seemed happy to be out on the freeway again. It's been a long time since I have done more than putt about town.
Runs just as well as when I got her back in '93.
Have not hit 200 K on the speedometer yet.
And I don't want to give her up because sticks ARE hard to find, and I don't like/enjoy the mushiness of automatics..

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
3. Running where it runs best.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:48 PM
Nov 2015

The author says

With advances in automatic-transmission technology, stick-shift adherents confess that their oft-used arguments about fuel economy and performance are starting to slip like a worn clutch. A proliferation of gears means automatics are now better able to keep engines in their “sweet spots” where they run most efficiently, said Ed Hellwig, executive editor at Edmunds.Com.


Today's cars are much better at running efficiently than yesterdays. A common mistake people make with automatic trannies is driving in (D)rive with automatic overdrive. Depending on the vehicle the speeds vary, but the concept is simple. Unless driving at a constant speed AND being at 50 mph or more, overdrive eats much more fuel. The engine isn't revving fast enough to produce the torque needed for efficient acceleration - you may only be accelerating one or two mph, but it is that one or two mph that is very inefficient. Get in the habit of turning off the overdrive for city and residential streets. Once you are up to speed and can maintain that speed then use overdrive.
 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
6. They didn't when I was in school.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jan 2016

The simulators were equipped so that manual shifting could be used if desired but the teachers never did when we were there.

Where I live the when the schools did drivers ed in house they would lease out cars for each semester from local dealers. It was how we had comfy larger cars while the school district next to ours was using compacts that they purchased. One of the teachers said that many years ago the dealer they worked with tried giving them manuals. After they wore out three clutches in one semester the dealer told them they were getting automatics going forward.

The school doesn't do drivers ed in house any more so students take drivers ed either from the local community college or a couple other driving schools. I doubt they do manuals.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
7. I learned how to drive stick first
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jan 2016

Growing up on a farm I learned how to drive a manual transmission first so I could drive the pickups around the farm.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've driven a manual over the past five years. But it's like riding a bicycle in that when I do I have no problems driving a stick.

Ten years ago I tested a Saturn Vue that had a stick shift. Seriously considered buying it too. Since then I haven't really come across any vehicles with stick shifts when shopping for a vehicle. The type of transmission generally doesn't even enter my mind when looking for a vehicle.

NBachers

(18,167 posts)
8. I love my 2005 Ford Focus 5-speed- even here in San Francisco, with all the uphill and downhill.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:50 AM
Aug 2016

Although I do admit that I'm more prone to cheating by using the emergency brake when starting up on a hill.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,593 posts)
12. And if the country wasn't full of...
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 08:11 AM
Feb 2017

...folks who seem gratified by stopping millimeters off your back bumper at lights and stop signs, you wouldn't need to.

It seems to me that those same bumper barnacles are the ones beeping within nanoseconds of the light changing to green. It wouldn't surprise me if those were the same folks who went road rage in some cases.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
13. Yeah I had a bumper barnacle last night
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:35 AM
Jun 2017

Damn well near touching my bumper. I found myself saying dude if I have to stop suddenly you're going to run right into me.

Auggie

(31,845 posts)
9. Took my driver's license on a stick. I've almost always had one.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 12:00 PM
Sep 2016

I do find them bothersome in stop and go traffic, especially S.F. Bay Area bottlenecks that last forever.

 

Drumron

(21 posts)
11. Been driving stick for 20+ Years
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 12:37 AM
Dec 2016

Years back I bought a 53 Pontiac with a 3 on the tree,,, drove it through school and after... and have had a 3speed mustang for the last 15 years... it's a feeling of being connected to the car and the road, no electronics, no modern technology, more raw.... hard to say but I believe everyone should know how or at least have tried it in their lives.....

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