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Related: About this forumWho Is Affected by the Dunning-Kruger Effect?
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https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740
Often people make overly broad statements, especially regarding religion and theists. But those making these statements generally demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect in action rather than make any relevant observation about religion or theists.
FM123
(10,130 posts)but what a coincidence - I was just watching a tv show called "Adam Ruins Everything" (episode: Adam Ruins Himself) with my kid and they were discussing this very effect...
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Mia also posted an article on this earlier.
FM123
(10,130 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)As a brain surgeon, he was obviously competent, but as a politician....?
pandr32
(12,236 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But that also might be generalized presumption of competence by a male.
RainCaster
(11,594 posts)The lack of introspection is a key component of this.
edhopper
(34,995 posts)to people who disagree with you.
"But those making these statements generally demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect"
Not sometimes, not once in a while, but "generally", which implies mostly.
Sorry, but people who comment on your posts are as well informed as they seem to be.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Most of what guillaumeb has to say in this forum comes back to one simple thought: "Non-believers need to stop criticizing religion."
He's discovered a shiny new toy that he thinks will assist in his quest to silence that criticism (to him, Dunning-Kruger means that all non-believers are too stupid/ignorant about religion to be able to criticize it), and so he started a new thread to highlight it.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)The topic is Dunning-Kruger. Are you immune from the effects?
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)and you continue it.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)I have posted negative stories about theists as well.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)On another topic, we can all watch the Trump Administration's slow implosion from the weight of all of those lies and crimes.
Voltaire2
(14,795 posts)If you want to discuss something else please start your own thread.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You want to stifle the viewpoints of non-believers, and you'll use anything to do it.
I am immune to Dunning-Kruger when it comes to theology, because there is no way to verify that a theist such as yourself knows more about gods than I do.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And yes, we are all familiar with your narrative.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Faced with facts you can't counter, you retreat to accusations of "narratives."
I prefer to let people judge you themselves, and decide if it's my "narrative" or the truth.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)So, who is affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect? Unfortunately, we all are. This is because no matter how informed or experienced we are, everyone has areas in which they are uninformed and incompetent. You might be smart and skilled in many areas, but no one is an expert at everything.
edhopper
(34,995 posts)you don't understand the DK effect. In fact i would say your use of it here is a perfect illustration of it.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And, explain how anyone mocking theists as delusional is not exemplifying Dunning-Kruger by making an unprovable claim while assuming that they are competent to do so.
Eko
(8,568 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:27 PM - Edit history (1)
You believe in a sky daddy. You are dunning-Kruger. You say something is true without any proof and you know it is true. You know how we all got here, how the universe got here, what we are supposed to do, where we are going, and what happens to us when we die. You know everything and yet know nothing. That is Dunning-Kruger in a nutshell.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You are committing a formal fallacy. More than one, actually.
It does not follow that claiming theists are delusional is unprovable.
Delusion, in common parlance, is a spectrum that does not imply or require a psychological diagnosis like this one https://www.mdpi.com/1010-660X/44/7/529 . And if you want to talk about unprovability, the person who claims theism is correct/adheres to it, is AT LEAST on as shaky ground as the person suggesting theism might be a delusion. Because theists of different sects can't even prove the reality of their theistic beliefs to each other.
It also does not follow that everyone who makes that claim, is not competent to make the claim.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,187 posts)Kind of an all about me thing.
But as to your point, you, once again, fail to apply things correctly. I am no longer shocked
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But that also might be generalized presumption of competence by a male.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)What times? Can you give examples?
Voltaire2
(14,795 posts)Often people make overly broad statements, especially regarding religion and theists. But those making these statements generally demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect in action rather than make any relevant observation about religion or theists.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Touche'!
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Voltaire2
(14,795 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)For his sake I hope so.
edhopper
(34,995 posts)Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.
Most smart people are aware of the areas in which they are deficient. The DK effect does not apply to everyone.
Hope that explains where you went astray here.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Unfortunately, we all are.
This is because no matter how informed or experienced we are, everyone has areas in which they are uninformed and incompetent. You might be smart and skilled in many areas, but no one is an expert at everything.
Again,
Unfortunately, we all are.
edhopper
(34,995 posts)but the DK effect is specifically about people who don't know that they are uninformed.
Most of us understand that we are, and therefore the DK effect is not pertinent.
I am letting you know you are mistaken about how you are applying it here. You can go on showing you are uninformed and try to show you know something you don't (that is the DK effect), or accept your lack of knowledge in this area.
And you did actually say:
Hope that explains where you went astray here.
So are you now retracting your earlier claim?
edhopper
(34,995 posts)The DK effect is not about being uniformed or incompent in some area. It's about those who think they are becasue they are too ignorant or unintelligent to know they aren't
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)I was raised a Catholic though I never believed the churchs teachings.
My brother is a Catholic priest, not the alter boy fucker type. He was once married and has two kids.
I know about being a Catholic.
I can talk about it.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)but I was referring here to anyone making overly broad statements about theism and theists. Statements that equate theism with delusion, for example.
NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)...an infection.
One with a great support apparatus and that people are constantly re-exposed to, to keep it viable.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)...sure about that?
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,187 posts)It isn't about making overly broad statements. That would be a fallacy, not DK.
I have spent thousands of ours studying Catholicism. Just because I'm not a theist at this moment does not mean that I am uneducated. Many here have similar experiences.
Stop trying to jam everyone you disagree with into some silly label.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)
Alternatively, it may be that people who have a particular thirst for knowledge find religious belief incompatible with their natural curiosity. Recently, Pope Francis actually stated that the spirit of curiosity distances one from God. Many atheists and agnostics may well agree.
I'm a bit, just a bit, flabbergasted to find a quote from Mr. Bergoglio that includes the words 'curiosity' and 'god' that I find myself in agreement.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)He'll have to wash many, many feet before I think well about him