Scientists discover that time is just an illusion

[BootinUp]

Researchers Alessandro Coppo and colleagues have explored this idea, proposing that time might emerge from the quantum interactions at a fundamental level.

Their findings, published in Physical Review A, suggest that our experience of time could be a byproduct of quantum processes rather than a fundamental aspect of reality. This theory, while still in its early stages, opens up new avenues for understanding the nature of time and its role in the universe.

"For centuries, time has entered physics as an essential ingredient that is not to be questioned. It is so deeply rooted in our conception of reality that people thought that a definition of time was not needed," says Coppo. “We believe that nature is genuinely quantum,” he adds.

The implications of this theory are profound, as it suggests that time, as we perceive it, might not be a universal constant but rather a construct emerging from deeper quantum interactions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/scientists-discover-that-time-is-just-an-illusion/ar-BB1nXCmW

[Arne]

1. Just Time?

The whole kit and kabootel is an illusion.

[BootinUp]

2. lol. Cool.

[paleotn]

9. Riiiight.

[John1956PA]

10. Years ago, I would contemplate the age-old question:

"Why does anything exist?" Brilliant physicists and philosophers have written treatises and books trying to answer that question. Years ago, when the topic came up on DU, one DUer wrote that to consider a scenario of nothing existent (i.e., no mass, no energy, and no space for them to occupy) is troubling enough. However, trying to imagine a scenario wherein there is no history boggles the mind even more so.

[sanatanadharma]

14. Now let science explain/ describe a world without 'consciousness'?

Now can science explain/ describe a world without 'consciousness'?
I'll wait. I have time.

A question directed to all, not directed to poster

[rambler_american]

38. Suggested reading on that very subject

Biocentrism by Robert Lanza.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=biocentrism&crid=IKENT79A5Z0C&sprefix=biocentrism%2Caps%2C122&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

[Arne]

48. I've had a few Ramblers

and the American was the first.

[reACTIONary]

74. La Nause

[BComplex]

51. That's what the Toltec belief is, and the Hopi Nation language also reflects that.

Pretty zenny if you ask me.

[c-rational]

3. Gee, and I thought eveerything in the universe could be described in three parameters - Length, Force, and Time.

Going to have to rethink.

[Maraya1969]

4. Yes my religion teaches there is no time and that they world is a manifestation of the mind

And then I read that that is how Tarot cards work. The layout of the cards comes from you and you already know what is going to happen in the "future" .

It gets really complicated. .

[KPN]

19. "It gets really complicated" .... Love it!!

[Turbineguy]

5. Lunch time doubly so.

[TlalocW]

34. Saved me the effort

You're a hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is.

[muriel_volestrangler]

65. Sadly, there is no longer a UK Reader's Digest for Ford to send that to

https://www.readersdigest.co.uk/inspire/life/thank-you-for-the-memories

[Think. Again.]

6. The best part about this is...

...now that we have just discovered it, we've known it along!

[BootinUp]

7. yes, mind bending.

[WheelWalker]

8. We might conclude that the universe is a stranger place...

We might conclude that the universe is a stranger place than we have sometimes been led to suspect and that the amount and type of strangeness each of us can tolerate depends, to some extent, on prior commitments. But the universe is what it is anyway.

[alterfurz]

53. "The universe is not only stranger than you think...

...it is stranger than you can think". -- Harlow Shapley

[WheelWalker]

69. "So the problem is not so much to see what nobody has yet seen,

as to think what nobody has yet thought concerning that which everybody sees."

― Arthur Schopenhauer

[paleotn]

11. Interesting but irrelevant in the human sphere.

But a good angle for woo peddlers. They're already into quantum this and quantum that without having a quantum of knowledge of what quantum actually means.

[brush]

24. Spot on. This new theory is the illusion.

Wonder how much time it took for the guy to come up with it, and how much grant money was drained off in imagining it?

[stopdiggin]

37. well said. (and glad somebody stepped up to say it)

from the point of view of human experience ... Almost completely irrelevant.

We still have children - and children (at least it is desperately hoped) grow from tadpoles with tails, over time, into beings that approximate adults. And there is little 'rational' about trying to make that grand arc - all a matter of 'perception' - or equivalency. Tadpoles are not adult beings - not matter how much we natter on - and insist on posing 'deeper' questions.

And now we can all go play in the street ...

[MerryBlooms]

70. RecRecRec💋

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

72. Yep. I'm happy physicists are working on

such concepts, but the fact that gravity doesn't exist according to Quantum Theory makes no difference in whether jumping off a high cliff is a good idea.

(Apparently it's the curvature of the universe that causes what we think of as gravity, I think is the simple explanation.)

[2naSalit]

12. I KNEW IT!!

[jaxexpat]

25. I usta forget it.

[Qutzupalotl]

13. I will have known it!

[grumpyduck]

15. I've thought for many years

that "time" is something we made up back when we first started agriculture. First came the seasons, and then they were subdivided into months and so forth. Then they invented various types of clocks.

So a lightyear is just our perception of distance based on our perception of time.

Simplistic, I know.

[LisaM]

43. I think time got standardized with train travel.

Trains had to run on a timetable. That's when the concept of time zones was invented. They are also kind of random - Michigan is in the eastern time zone, so it's always light there later in the day. But they get the same amount of actual light as the easternmost states in the same time zone.

[Igel]

85. Time-keeping started earlier.

If you're a hunter-gatherer, seasons matter.

Past v present also matters, even if your religion allows the past to poke into the present (or the future to poke into the present).

[ananda]

16. The holographic brain/universe is interesting too.

That idea comes out of quantum physics also,
and it makes a lot of sense to me.

[Ilsa]

17. I think my mind is trying to make

this news more complicated. Anyway, I feel no more enlightened.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

18. So the doc we watched about the Argentinosaurus...

... didn't happen in the Late Cretaceous period?

[BootinUp]

21. It did, as far as we know. nt

[rubbersole]

29. It was actually just a couple of blinks ago.

When something digs up the evidence of human civilization a few million years from now - I hope the first thing they find are some perfectly preserved lemon bars from the missus' kitchen. They'll think we were a very advanced life form.😋

[MiHale]

20. It's about time...

We view time as we do for our convenience.

[Botany]

22. No past, no future, just one non stop continous

.... now on an infinite plane of dark matter that we can't see. Our universe is an ever expanding home of matter and energy in which our nano second of a lifetime exists.

And in that universe the Cleveland Browns will never win a super bowl.

[lark]

32. I think the Jacksonville Jaguars are in the same boat - unfortunately!

[MorbidButterflyTat]

58. Same for the Buffalo Bills

I feel both of your pain.

[MerryBlooms]

71. There's always next year for our Bills! 🤠😭😤😃, those are my 4 emotions every season! 🤣

[MorbidButterflyTat]

73. Hey there!

We got the best QB in the league, there's always hope! And, an emotional roller coaster.

#BillsMafia

#GoBills

[Evolve Dammit]

42. Aww Dang. That last line really hurts. They look good this year!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

47. Is our universe then a mobius strip or an 8-track cassette?

Are we doomed to forever dive, wrinkled, into the center of the spool, only to emerge from the outside of the spool and wobble over the rollers and heads again?

[ Edit: Ooops! I appear to have played the tape backwards. We are doomed. Sorry universe. ]

[KPN]

23. I knew these guys were way ahead of their ... time"

https://m.

[ret5hd]

26. my back, heart, hernia, knees, and hips...

beg to differ.

[harumph]

27. If time is an illusion, so is change and I can't accept that.

If time is an illusion, so is entropy.

Maybe our perception of time is an illusion - but the underlying changes that produce that illusion are IMO, very real.

[BootinUp]

31. I think the illusion has to do with the whole uncertainty/probability thing

or that time is more a function of something else, not that it is completely disconnected.

[scipan]

64. Yeah. An emergent property, not an out and out illusion. Nt

[Traurigkeit]

28. Running out of thesis topics

CHAOS or ORDER

[gay texan]

30. "Lunchtime doubly so"

Hee hee hee

[Mr. Evil]

33. When I can no longer lift a glass of beer to my lips,

I'll know my time is nearly up.

[Goonch]

35. 👇👇👇👁️👁️

[Blue Owl]

36. Does anybody really know what time it is?

[dchill]

39. By the time I tell you what time it is, I'll be wrong...

Running late - gotta go!

[FreeState]

57. Yes and no

But this article is like Dr Oz and science. It’s click bait and uses easily misunderstood terms (e.g. it’s not a scientific theory, it’s a hypothesis and if you read common science groups etc they are not even talking about this because there is a lot of work yet to do to try and dispute hypothesis.)

This hypothesis faces significant challenges, particularly in how to empirically test these concepts. Despite its implications it remains in its early stages of development.

[rambler_american]

40. The Universe

The Universe Is Not Only Queerer Than We Suppose, But Queerer Than We Can Suppose
~ J. B. S. Haldane

[Jim__]

41. "... this theory faces challenges, including how to test these concepts empirically."

Despite its intriguing implications, this theory faces challenges, including how to test these concepts empirically. As the understanding of quantum mechanics and its intersection with our macroscopic world evolves, this theory may provide new insights into the nature of reality and time itself.

[ashredux]

44. Ah.... Science finally catches up with Science Fiction writers. 👍😊

[infullview]

45. Ya, except that red shift is real and quantifiable

So that’s just a quantum interaction?

[LymphocyteLover]

46. it's certianly true that we know very little about the fundamental nature of the universe and the nature of subatomic

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particles and the energy fields that produce them

[LudwigPastorius]

49. Dr. Rust Cohle posited this years ago.

[Arne]

50. Was reading the one where Gravity is Time,

and Time is Gravity.

It was actually convincing.

[Metaphorical]

52. This is very likely

Einstein proved the notion that time (specifically duration) is dependent upon one's frame of reference, and that an accelerating frame of reference was indistinguishable from gravity. From the perspective of a photon going AT the speed of light, there is no time - everything that happens has happened and will happen. The big wildcard is entropy.

[Arne]

59. What does time do when you're having fun?

[scipan]

66. Could that explain entanglement? Seems like it. Nt

[Metaphorical]

75. Interesting Question

Entanglement may very well be tied to the fact that many processes, such as electrons moving through quantum orbital states, emit or absorb light as part of the process (this is how laser's work). If light effectively is timeless, this may very well explain quantum entanglement if the same electron became bound to another atom (or similar quantum well) at a different point in its trajectory. My college quantum physics classes were a LOOONG time ago, but it's an intriguing notion nonetheless.

[lapfog_1]

54. All that is needed for anyone to fly

is to throw yourself at the ground... and miss.

Thus proving that gravity and time are mere constructs of our quantum imaginations.

[oldfart73]

55. And this great theory affects/changes my life in what way?

[Joinfortmill]

79. So cool

[intrepidity]

56. "Time is what keeps things from happening all at once."

Best definition I've ever heard.

[whopis01]

60. If that's true why did it take them so long? n/t

[snot]

61. My theory is that "reality" as we know it

begins with the division of the One into two.

One's and zeros – that's all it takes to generate just about anything; all possibilities, including all dimensions including time, are created via division/distinction.

[caraher]

62. No they didn't

There's nothing "illusory" about time as described by the research. Rather, the authors apply an account of motion and time as emerging jointly from a mathematical model of a toy universe that does not explicitly include time as a parameter of the model.

It's interesting stuff, but it would be equally true to say they discovered motion is illusory. What they're doing is neither; rather, they are contributing to a thread of research about time and dynamics that avoids some infelicities and pitfalls associated with theories where time is an explicit parameter in theory.

[BWdem4life]

63. I don't have time to read the entire article. nt

[KPN]

80. Lol. Good one!

[Easterncedar]

67. Fascinating

[Martin Eden]

68. Yep. Just ask Billy Pilgrim.

Or the Tralfamadorians.

[Ocelot II]

76. Time exists so everything doesn't happen at once.

Space exists so everything doesn't happen to you.

[emulatorloo]

77. ...

[Joinfortmill]

78. Does that mean I'm not getting older?☺️

[JoseBalow]

81. Time is a construct used to measure change

It's also money

(2:53)

[Marcuse]

82. "I'm not into Time, man."

[GaYellowDawg]

83. I wish someone would tell my fucking knees.

Maybe they could turn the hell around and go back in time.

[BootinUp]

84. Age will get all of us of course. I am finding

That diet is much more important than I realized as I get older. I mean the basics, nothing special, but just eating regularly, balanced diet, a one a day Vito, then basic stretching and some light exercise. This all seems to help and it’s not a lot. I have some arthritis stuff going on and it gets up a head of steam if I do not do above. I take aspirin. Nothing more for the most part.
Hope you can find some relief.