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usonian

(16,784 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 11:30 PM Tuesday

Airbus to test radical engine design for successor to A320

Yeah, Radical.



FT archived.
https://archive.is/gGX1h#selection-1695.0-1695.58

Airbus is to test a radical engine with visible fan blades as the world’s largest plane maker gears up to develop a successor for its best-selling A320 family of jets.

The European aerospace and defence group said test flights of a demonstrator of the “open fan” engine would take place on a modified A380 superjumbo towards the end of this decade.

...

Airbus is working with CFM International, a joint venture between GE Aerospace of the US and France’s Safran, on the open fan jet engine.

Mohamed Ali, chief technology and operations officer of GE Aerospace, told the Financial Times the companies were already working with regulators on issues around the new design. They included how to address higher noise levels from the open fan and any safety concerns.


I double-checked.

So check out the leadership of G.E. Aerospace now.
https://www.geaerospace.com/company/about-us/leadership

G.E. Aircraft Engine Group was my first job out of the service.

Uneventful other than cutting the shaft on an A-10 TF-34 jet engine operating at full speed with a high power laser to test the overspeed controls, and the boss dropping in on a mid-morning goof-off session of managers at a nearby restaurant. Got a chuckle out of that one.

Days of Kim-1 and MC6800 computers. My goodness.





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OAITW r.2.0

(29,764 posts)
1. Pretty cool tech. I think. Smaller jet engines provide the thrust and the fan blades provide the lift.
Tue Mar 25, 2025, 11:36 PM
Tuesday

Kinda makes a lot of sense. Don't know how that relates to airspeed, though. Longer flight times?

usonian

(16,784 posts)
2. Fans are efficient, and efficiency is the name of the game.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:04 AM
Wednesday

Possibly except for fighter jets.

Hugin

(35,949 posts)
3. I don't see the advantage over a turbo-prop...
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:20 AM
Wednesday

But, hey, I am all for basic research if they have the money.

Howard Hughes would approve. He hated jets.

usonian

(16,784 posts)
5. Fans on jet engines move air more efficiently than combustion alone.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:33 AM
Wednesday

It's a combination. Props alone don't have the combustive thrust.

This is pretty easy to grasp.

https://pilotinstitute.com/turbofan-vs-turbojet/

And more complex:

https://www.century-of-flight.net/turbojet-vs-turbofan-explained/


Hmmmm. Interesting.

Hugin

(35,949 posts)
7. Turbo-props vs turbo-fans vs turbo-jets...
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:50 AM
Wednesday

I was questioning the efficiency of turbo-props vs turbo-fans. The only difference between the two is that turbo-props are connected to the shaft of a jet via a mechanical linkage rather than directly to the shaft as a turbo-fan is.

This article says that both props and fans are more efficient than a jet alone. Although, I would guess that there is some more loss in the mechanical linkage of a prop than in a fan.

https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/systems/the-4-types-of-turbine-engines/

A pretty good article, by the way.

Hughes’ objection to jets was actually well founded. He argued that jets are only efficient at high altitudes and speeds. A part of a flight envelope that commercial airliners spend little time, if they enter them at all on shorter routes. He kept props (even though they were the ridiculous high-maintenance dozens of cylinder rotaries) until they stopped being produced. He was okay with turbo-props on helicopters and even automobiles. Of course, turbo-fans were decades away from being developed. They came into their own during the fuel crisis of the 1970’s and due to noise issues with turbo-jets at busy airports. So, like you said, mostly efficiency.

LastDemocratInSC

(3,979 posts)
4. Kim-1 and MC6800 computers
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:27 AM
Wednesday

I remember those well. I still have a Motorola D2 evaluation kit that works. Those systems set me on the path I've taken in life.

usonian

(16,784 posts)
6. I still have a couple. An entire COSMAC evaluation kit.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 12:42 AM
Wednesday

Projects end and labs just toss stuff. Called dumpster diving.

I will probably shadow-box some stuff. Benefit of being single.

IMSAI was next. Opened many doors.

Sure was fun.

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