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Judi Lynn

(162,491 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 05:03 AM Sep 20

Creative Structures Built By Neanderthals Is Upending Our Understanding of the Species

Researchers have spelled out the entire Neanderthal genome for multiple individuals, offering new insights into their biology

by Knowable Magazine and Tim Vernimmen
Dec. 23, 2023


Neanderthals are Homo sapiens’s closest-known relative, and today we know we rubbed shoulders with them for thousands of years, up until the very end of their long reign some 40,000 years ago. Most researchers see no reason to believe our two species didn’t get along with each other back then, yet we haven’t been very kind to Neanderthals since their remains were first unearthed in the 19th century, often characterizing them as lumbering dimwits or worse. Even today, their name is sometimes hurled at misbehaving members of our own species, though there is no evidence they engaged in any kind of prehistoric hooliganism.

Well, with one exception, perhaps: What they did in Bruniquel Cave in southwestern France would certainly be frowned upon today. Hundreds of intentionally broken stalagmites were found there, arranged into two large, ellipsoid structures and several smaller stacks, during a time when — as researchers confirmed in 2016 — only Neanderthals were roaming Europe. No one knows what these structures were for, but they suggest a tendency toward creativity and perhaps even symbolism.

No other structures of this kind have so far been discovered. But there have been many other hints that Neanderthal minds were occupied with things many researchers did not expect, says archaeologist April Nowell of the University of Victoria in Canada. The author of a 2021 book, Growing Up in the Ice Age, Nowell outlines the most exciting new discoveries in a 2023 article, “Rethinking Neandertals,” in the Annual Review of Anthropology.

“In the past ten years, things have changed quite dramatically,” she says. “I never thought we’d have the wide range of information about their lives that we do now.” In addition to many new fossil discoveries, new methods for analyzing ancient biological molecules have allowed researchers to examine ancient DNA and proteins that they didn’t even know still persisted.

More:
https://www.inverse.com/science/creative-structures-neanderthals-more-complex-minds







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Creative Structures Built By Neanderthals Is Upending Our Understanding of the Species (Original Post) Judi Lynn Sep 20 OP
In the first "chronophotograph" captured by the new time-camera presented here Bernardo de La Paz Sep 20 #1
What? Michael's had a sale on brushes. 3Hotdogs Sep 20 #4
AI produced by and for people too ignorant to catch ridiculousness sanatanadharma Sep 20 #8
Wonders never cease! "We've" come so far! Judi Lynn Sep 20 #10
I no longer use the word 'Neanderthal' as a negative epithet EYESORE 9001 Sep 20 #2
We've been discovering that not just our early human ancestors, but lots of animal species, are much highplainsdem Sep 20 #5
The intelligence and cultural aspects of several groups slightlv Sep 20 #17
There has always been a barely disguised haughtiness, hasn't there? It does make one wonder! Judi Lynn Sep 20 #11
Where did those AI-art images come from? They're not showing up in the article. Just one very different highplainsdem Sep 20 #3
Looks like those early human artists had been shopping at Dick Blick EYESORE 9001 Sep 20 #6
Maybe he was transitioning to landscapes! You never know. . . . Thank you. Judi Lynn Sep 20 #13
Just as long as... EYESORE 9001 Sep 20 #14
OMG! My eyes! What a fiend! Judi Lynn Sep 21 #18
The girl emerging from the well is from 'The Grudge' - added by some photoshopper EYESORE 9001 Sep 21 #19
I saw the illustration at the top of the article, and recalled having seen only horrible images of ancient ancestors Judi Lynn Sep 20 #9
The actual article is interesting. Thanks, Judi Lynn Easterncedar Sep 20 #7
Thank you for taking the time, Easterncedar. Judi Lynn Sep 20 #12
Very cool. Thanx for posting JohnnyRingo Sep 20 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 20 #16

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,091 posts)
1. In the first "chronophotograph" captured by the new time-camera presented here
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 05:27 AM
Sep 20

... the Neanderthal has remarkable technology in the form of paintbrushes with the bristles bound in a formed metal ferrule. Shiny no less, as if chrome plated. Unfortunately there was an injury and his left hand only has three fingers. The second guy has a strange side-facing bellybutton.

It's remarkable how with modern technology we can send cameras back in time to capture such images in high definition.

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
8. AI produced by and for people too ignorant to catch ridiculousness
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 06:56 AM
Sep 20

AI produced by and for people too ignorant to catch ridiculousness like the modern art paint brushes, as pointed out.
Using AI is one thing; believing AI is another, accepting AI insanity is beyond the pale.

EYESORE 9001

(27,565 posts)
2. I no longer use the word 'Neanderthal' as a negative epithet
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 05:39 AM
Sep 20

Seems chauvinistic to downplay their role in the development of modern humanity. Hell, I’m walking around with segments of their DNA right now.

highplainsdem

(52,649 posts)
5. We've been discovering that not just our early human ancestors, but lots of animal species, are much
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 06:07 AM
Sep 20

more intelligent than previously believed.

And yes, the old attitudes were chauvinistic.

slightlv

(4,402 posts)
17. The intelligence and cultural aspects of several groups
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 06:05 PM
Sep 20

of animals are one of the things that thrills me most. Each group even has its own language, and (I'm thinking of birds right now), is more than simply "danger!" or "food!"

I'm glad that the meat industry is going plant based. Even inveterate meateaters should be hesitant once they discover how truly sentient and emotionally alive animals are, IMNSHO.

Judi Lynn

(162,491 posts)
11. There has always been a barely disguised haughtiness, hasn't there? It does make one wonder!
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 07:32 AM
Sep 20

Thank you.

highplainsdem

(52,649 posts)
3. Where did those AI-art images come from? They're not showing up in the article. Just one very different
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 06:01 AM
Sep 20

Getty image at the top of the article.

I've seen some very upset messages posted on Twitter by real artists who have done science illustrations for years and are now very unhappy at seeing AI illustrations that get so much wrong being substituted instead. And I'm not talking about the even more ludicrous images showing up in "science" articles generated entirely or almost entirely by AI, like the one at https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218687511 . Some magazines, not just journals, are trying to save a few bucks with bad AI art.

When OpenAI introduced its AI video tool, Sora, earlier this year, there were posts raving about one short "photorealistic" video of ants underground, and how wonderful Sora would be for educational science videos.

The ants had 4 legs.

EYESORE 9001

(27,565 posts)
6. Looks like those early human artists had been shopping at Dick Blick
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 06:39 AM
Sep 20

(Dick Blick is a chain of art-supply stores)

I found one image particularly ludicrous, with the artist holding a fistful of what appears to be more modern paintbrushes like Bob Ross.

EYESORE 9001

(27,565 posts)
14. Just as long as...
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 07:54 AM
Sep 20

none of them emulated the pseudo-artist Thomas Kinkade - ‘painter of light’.

Judi Lynn

(162,491 posts)
18. OMG! My eyes! What a fiend!
Sat Sep 21, 2024, 12:07 AM
Sep 21

He couldn't help himself, could he?

How can we be sure he's really gone?

What a vision starts to form when you start to imagine his final resting place! Will there be a stream?

EYESORE 9001

(27,565 posts)
19. The girl emerging from the well is from 'The Grudge' - added by some photoshopper
Sat Sep 21, 2024, 09:04 AM
Sep 21

Kinkade is generally considered a hack in the art world, so hundreds of these photoshops populate the intertubes. My personal favorite showed an idyllic scene that featured a pretty bridge crossing a bubbly, babbling brook. Some wag added a pumper truck hauling toxic waste across the bridge. Sorry, I have a dark sense of humor.

Judi Lynn

(162,491 posts)
9. I saw the illustration at the top of the article, and recalled having seen only horrible images of ancient ancestors
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 07:24 AM
Sep 20

illustrating early people in other articles all looking unbearably stupid. Thought of checking Google images for pictures they'd collected of other "cave people" as they painted or drew on walls, also. Was interested in seeing how many of them were so horrifically stupid-looking. You may have felt disgusted, also, by how profoundly repulsive and hideous they have almost always been shown as being, too! I didn't see any in Google as grotesque as the ones which usually pop up representing Neanderthals.





Usually the artist takes great pains in informing us that people so long ago wouldn't look nearly as "evolved" as we do!

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