NoShit...

[pbmus]

[Doreen]

1. And the truth shall set you free!

[LakeArenal]

2. Love!

[Heartstrings]

3. Yes.....this!

[LakeArenal]

4. Now that I think about it

Maybe "All Shit" should have been the title of the op.

[mitch96]

5. I don't think it's all bullshit

I think most of it's a marketing scheme. Where else can you get people to willingly give you mass quantity's of money for a lot of talk of faith...

AKA substance of things hoped for... evidence of things not seen...
Cosmically speaking..
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[BigmanPigman]

6. I guess I have been on a Bible diet for 45 years. No wonder I feel

healthy and fit.

[Heartstrings]

7. Curious, as I'm not bible educated

What 10 deaths did the "devil" cause, who were they?

[trotsky]

47. I think it was from when god and satan had that bet about Job.

Job's family was killed as part of the bet, so I think technically those deaths are "credited" to Satan.

[Heartstrings]

58. Thank you!

[jalan48]

8. I think the Golden Rule is all we need. The rest is just confusion and authority.

[colorado_ufo]

9. Close.

Jesus was asked, "Which is the greatest commandment?" He answered,
"Love the Lord with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. And the second is like unto it: Love thy neighbor as thyself. On this hangs all the law and the prophets."

If my quote is a word or two off, I apologize. But then, the Bible has undergone a LOT of translation and editing!

[George II]

10. I know this is in a Group forum, but it is appearing on the DU Home Page....

...which is why I'm responding.

Why is it that many atheists and agnostics feel the need to denigrate and mock what others believe?

I have never faulted or put down or insulted anyone who believes differently than I do - atheists, agnostics, Baptists, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, etc. What other people believe in and how they worship or don't worship is their business, not mine, and it's their right to do so.

It's not a Biblical term, but...."live and let live"

Thank you.

[murielm99]

11. Thank you George.

I stay out of those forums, because there is so much mockery.

Imagine if this post had pictured the Koran and the same content had appeared. People would be yelling about prejudice and a few other related things.

I don't like cults. I am alarmed and sorry when I see people taken in by cults, whether they are religious, political or based on some kind of personal fan following. Religion is a different matter. Let people have their faith.

[pbmus]

14. Amen, having faith that science will figure out

How to control muther natural before prayer , and hope that the poor mudder who sits in a mobile home anywhere in Florida has a 3 foot thick wall, waterproof , concrete garage big enough for he and famille.

[progressoid]

23. We're equal opportunity mockers here.

It's just that Christianity happens to be the majority religion in America so it gets the most criticism. More importantly, it has a huge influence on public policy. If people kept their faith to themselves, it wouldn't be a big deal. But as long as it keeps getting thrown in our faces, expect a response.

Same goes for Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. etc.

[Croney]

27. I agree.

[beam me up scottie]

70. Yes we are, thank you!

[WoonTars]

55. And yet you felt the need to post here anyway...in a safe group...

FYI, as far as i can tell, all religions are subject to "mockery" as you put it, here...

[PassingFair]

74. Things must be slow in the Bernie-battering entire rest of DU.

Someone throw him a cookie or something to occupy himself with.

[beam me up scottie]

75. !

[trotsky]

59. So who decides whether something is a cult or a religion?

You?

[beam me up scottie]

68. Religion is used to oppress women and lgbt people so why shouldn't we mock it?

Members of oppressed groups and their allies have every right to challenge their oppressors, in fact I would argue that we have an obligation to do so.

Mockery of religion is one of the most essential things…one of the beginnings of the human emancipation is the ability to laugh at authority, its indispensable.

-Christopher Hitchens

[Hortensis]

12. +1000. These should be alerted and removed when all of DU is exposed to them.

I only saw this later, of course, when it's passed on where it belongs. If it does. Do we have a special forum where racial bigotry is freely indulged?

[Voltaire2]

16. Where exactly is the bigotry?

[Hortensis]

24. Maybe go learn about "bias" as a personality trait, bias being a word researchers use

instead of "bigotry." Then you can answer your own question and a bunch more.

[Voltaire2]

28. You claimed the post should be removed for

bigotry. Where is the bigotry?

[WoonTars]

54. Or you could just answer the question you were asked...

You claimed bigotry. Where is it in the OP?

[beam me up scottie]

64. Racial bigotry? Since when is pointing out the bigotry in the bible racist?

Are you serious? Have you read what the bible says should be done to gays and infidels?

Leviticus 20:13

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Deuteronomy 17

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

The bible instructs its followers to kill us but we're bigoted for pointing it out?

Since when is religion a race?

[Voltaire2]

15. You can trash the forum.

And then you can spare all the horrid mocking atheists in this group from your indignation.

Meanwhile if you would like to discuss the op's content, is there anything factually incorrect?

[TexasTowelie]

17. Did you read his reply?

The OP is on DU's home page as "trending now". BTW, I already have this group on ignore.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

49. How'd you find this then?

I'm relatively new and not sure how this ignore stuff works, so wondering if it is worth weeding out what I don't want if I'm going to see it anyway.

[beam me up scottie]

67. So it's okay to go into protected groups and lecture minorities?

That attitude comes from a place of privilege, protected groups were created so that we could discuss issues that affect us away from the main forums. We should be able to discuss intolerance against us without being lectured about reverse bigotry.

[George II]

18. On the other hand people can be respectful of others' views, and civil. As for your last question..

...can anyone say there's anything factually correct? It's all a matter of opinion, speculation, and conviction. If you read my post, I don't fault anyone for their beliefs or non-beliefs, I just think it's too bad that some people feel the need to denigrate or mock others' beliefs, whatever they may be.

[Voltaire2]

19. Factually correct is not a matter of opinion.

So do you not mock other people's beliefs here? For example do you mock or denigrate the beliefs of people who voted for Jill Stein? Do you not cast aspersions here at people who supported Bernie Sanders? Are we allowed to ridicule Republican beliefs?

Should we be careful not to offend people who believe in birtherism? Climate change denial? white supremacy?

[George II]

20. No. I disagree with them, I don't mock them.

[Voltaire2]

29. So I assume you are disgusted that Mellisa McCarthy

received an Emmy for her awful mocking of Sean spicer, right?

[WoonTars]

56. You know this is the Atheist forum, right?

Not sure why we have to "respect" ancient superstitions and bronze age mythology??

[beam me up scottie]

69. So we shouldn't denigrate or mock Republicans?

What other intolerant ideologies are entitled to special consideration?

This is DU, we pride ourselves on mocking bigots of all stripes: religious fundamentalists, racists, misogynists, xenophobes, homophobes, Nazis, etc - they all deserve to be mocked mercilessly.

[trotsky]

21. Should mocking religion be banned?

Do you think we should have blasphemy laws?

Just curious to see how far you are willing to go to make sure religion isn't mocked.

[George II]

22. No one even suggested that. But people could be respectful and civil....

....just as I am toward people who don't have the same views as I have.

Is that unreasonable?

[trotsky]

25. There are many views that I cannot respect.

White supremacy, child abuse, homophobia to name a few.

Are you going to fault me for not being respectful and civil towards those views?

[George II]

32. I seriously doubt that being a religious person is equivalent to being a white supremacist...

....child abuser, or homophobe.

Its offensive that you even equate those things to religious people, including me.

[Lordquinton]

35. No one said it did

Mocking beliefs is not mocking believers.

[trotsky]

42. Aha, now we're getting somewhere.

Can you go back to the graphic in the OP and point out exactly where it disparages PEOPLE?

I'll wait.

[George II]

45. I wasn't referring to the OP graphic with that comment, I was referring to.....

...some of the subsequent comments.

[trotsky]

46. So we agree, then, that the graphic in the OP is referencing IDEAS and not people, correct? n/t

[Lordquinton]

30. Let's go back

And discuss the difference between opinion and fact again...

[George II]

31. You following me from forum to forum now?

[Lordquinton]

34. You came in here George

If anything you followed me.

[George II]

36. No....I commented here yesterday, you responded to me now....

...and also just moments ago in another discussion in General Discussion.

I'm not playing your little game, good day.

[Lordquinton]

39. I'm a regular in this group

You came in here, into a protected group and tried to tell us how to act. I suggest you apologise and bow out, like the polite person you claim to be.

[George II]

41. I suggest you reread the first post of mine here. I did not tell anyone "how to act"....

....and I did not go after anyone in this group as you have done.

[Lordquinton]

61. No, you made a broad brush statement

One we are all too familiar with. You aren't the first to lecture this room on how to act, and you won't be the last.

[Lordquinton]

63. I don't play games

But whenever someone is cornered by questions, they always claim I am. Funny that.

[Lordquinton]

33. Except it is our business

Your falling into the same trap everyone else does by confusing believers and belief. The Catholic Church has LGBTQIA bigoty written into it's code. The southern Baptist Church just released a statement condemning homosexuality. Most religions are based on misogynistic ideals.

Further more even if it's on the front page you don't go into a protected group and post stuff like this. Posts from the AA group made it to the front page all the time, and when I realized where I was I politely apologized for intruding and left.

This is the reason atheists post this kind of stuff, because we need to vent about the world and how steeped in religion it is that people don't respect our beliefs so much they intrude into our spaces and say we should respect others.

[George II]

37. The OP was related to the Bible, not anything that the individual religions or denominations...

....have determined as their "rules".

Plus, you're playing this game in General Discussion, too. Why so confrontational?

Asking people to respect others isn't "intruding" or posting "stuff like this".

Enjoy the afternoon.

[Rob H.]

40. "Why so confrontational?"

You came here to lecture this Group's members, and you're seriously asking that question?

[George II]

43. I didn't lecture anyone, I merely asked a question and pointed out how I act toward others....

....who have different beliefs.

The only thing that could be construed as a lecture would be my comment "live and let live".

[Rob H.]

48. Oh, really?

Why is it that many atheists and agnostics feel the need to denigrate and mock what others believe?

This is as much a statement as it is a question.

[trotsky]

44. And they say irony is dead... n/t

[Lordquinton]

62. The OP was related to the bible

Then why did your response take personal offence? The bible has no feelings to be hurt, yet you claimed it was offensive to believers. You just undermined your whole position.

Gd Is gd. This isn't GD, and your games aren't played here.

I am suddenly having a much better day, thanks!

[beam me up scottie]

65. Well bless your heart.

[Rob H.]

38. People have the right to believe whatever they want to believe

That doesn't mean for a second that those beliefs are immune to criticism and even mockery.

[LostOne4Ever]

50. So you have an issue with people making fun of a religion

A thing with no feelings that is often used defend hate and bigotry against non-believers and the lgbtq community; BUT, when a post is made saying there are no atheists in foxholes (insulting and denying the existence of atheists who served and sometimes DIED for their country) you rec it and then post you never heard anyone object to that phrase before?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10029549776&info=1#recs

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029549776#post220

Religion, like conservatism,is a concept not a person. It has no feelings and has done and continues to do us great harm. From justifying bigotry against us to the use of mental torture in the form of the doctrine of salvation via faith. Some of us had to spend countless nights unable to sleep because of fear that our doubts would cause our souls to be condemned to eternal hellfire and suffering.

Not to mention the near ubiquitousness of how it is constantly shoved down our throats and how we are told we are immoral and devious for not believing! From courthouse monuments to presidents telling us we are not real Americans because this is one nation under God:

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:George_H._W._Bush

If I only had a PENNY for every time I came across religion forced upon me! Oh wait here is one! What is that written on the side? "In God we Trust"

...

But let's ignore all that shall we. How dare atheists in their own safe room push back against religion? How dare they criticize and mock a nigh omnipresent source of hatred against them! It's like they think they have rights or something...

[Lordquinton]

60. Bravo!

This should be a pinned topic in this room.

[beam me up scottie]

66. BOOM!

Nicely done!

[trotsky]

73. Fuck yes.

Thank you!

[Act_of_Reparation]

53. "I have never faulted or put down or insulted anyone who believes differently than I do"

#Seemslegit

[AtheistCrusader]

71. Because those of us that live in the US live in a Christian dominated society and it applies

various interpretations of Christian ethics and morals to laws that apply to us.

I'm MALE and I've experienced religious influence on my ability to access family planning. I'm an edge case, and not even female, and *I've* experienced it. So let's just take a moment and consider the various ways in which a predominantly Christian culture shits on women at every turn, for accessing birth control, for wanting comprehensive sex ed, for accessing abortion, for having careers, for having more than one sexual partner, for enjoying sex at all, for frankly doing anything but getting married and staying home to raise the carpet goblins.

Lets take a moment to ponder religious opposition to death with dignity, and my access to end my life at my choosing if and when I am suffering beyond the support of palliative care. It happened to my dad. It happened to my uncle. It happened to BOTH my grandfathers. Alzheimer's and a couple other degenerative neurological diseases run in my family. Let's ponder a moment on the OVERWHELMINGLY and almost UNIVERSALLY Christian (mostly catholic) opposition to physician assisted suicide in the US.

I was going to make a comprehensive list, but fuck it, we're already well beyond the scope and bounds of how far RELIGION (specifically christianity) should intrude into my life by way of the laws of the United States of America, a Republic, with a Constitution that expressly forbids such intrusion.

Religion is a stupid, ancient, tribalistic mythos that deserves to be shaken off like our childhood toys, and there's a REASON that religiousity trends DOWN with Education (less than 7% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences is religious) and college degrees, trends down among liberals and progressives, and trends down among higher IQ's, however flawed measuring IQ might be.

It's stupid. It tells us nothing about ourselves, the universe or our place in it, and it's going away. Wave good-bye. It's a very large ship, passing in the night. Bon fucking voyage, and don't come back.

[world wide wally]

13. Look at it metaphysicaly

[Bleacher Creature]

26. What about "touchdowns made"? NT

[Croney]

51. I have only one problem with the OP.

Overall, it's a clever take-off on the nutritional-values chart we see on food. Condensed, it boils down to "The bible is 100% bullshit." That's no surprise to members of this forum.

The 1% unicorn? I'm gonna need to see some evidence, thank you very much. 🦄🦄🦄

[Voltaire2]

57. If I remember correctly there is at least one

unicorn but there is some theory that it is a translation error. There are plenty of other improbable beasts in the texts, so they will suffice.

[progressoid]

72. Mentioned 9 times in the King James Bible. Might have meant a rino. Or maybe a NARWHAL! !

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/on_the_front_lines_of_the_culture_wars/2011/08/are-there-really-unicorns-in-the-king-james-bible.html/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwj89dP-xZ7WAhVfImMKHbf9BHwQFghIMAM&usg=AFQjCNECcoUnXHJRBbIHM93lxODEZH9c2A&cf=1

[samnsara]

52. how many carbs?