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DavidDvorkin

(19,917 posts)
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 04:15 PM Mar 2023

Drumming for Jesus and Genocide

My mother was born in 1914 in a village in Lithuania. She emigrated to England as a teenager, in time to avoid the horrors that would be visited upon Lithuanian Jews not too many years later. Her mother and many other family members were not so lucky; they were still there in 1939 when World War Two began.

When the Nazis’ Endlösung der Judenfrage, Final Solution to the Jewish Question—i.e., the Holocaust—reached Lithuania along with the invading German troops, the locals, told by the Germans that they were free to murder their Jewish neighbors, responded with such enthusiasm that even some of the German officers were disturbed. To the locals, this wasn’t something new, and they had never needed anyone’s permission to slaughter Jews. Jews had lived in terror there for centuries.

Lithuanians, at least in those days, practiced the tradition of Easter drumming—loud, round–the–clock drumming from Easter Friday to Easter Sunday, to commemorate the Crucifixion and (or so my mother was told) to help awaken Jesus on the third day. By itself, this sounds simply annoying and silly. However, during those long hours, the local Christians, filled with grief for their dear Lord and anger against those they blamed for killing him, worked themselves into an even greater frenzy of antisemitism than usual. Sometimes, they acted on their fury. The Jews huddled in their houses, terrified, hoping that this Easter would pass without an outbreak of mass murder. Any Jew unfortunate enough to be caught outside had a good chance of meeting a violent death. My mother always remembered the ominous drums and the long weekend of fear.

I think about this every year when, even in this supposedly civilized and enlightened country, people post “He is risen!” on social media. I imagine the drums and the seething atmosphere of hatred and violence. To me, it’s all one and the same: Christianity equals murder.

“Oh, no!” some Christians will protest, resorting immediately to their own version of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. “Those weren’t real Christians! Jesus preached love. Also, Hitler was an atheist, so there.”

No, Hitler was a Christian, and his life, far more than that of the mythical Jesus, shows us what Christianity has really been throughout its long and evil history. Of course there are good Christians, many of them extraordinarily good, but that is only to say that there are good people, many of them extraordinarily good, who are also Christians. They are good despite being Christians, not because of it.

Almost from its beginning, the church preached—indeed, commanded—murder: murder of pagans, murder of Christians of the wrong flavor, but most especially murder of Jews. Christians have always been happy to do as the church commanded, at least when it comes to murder. To be fair, calumnies against Jews and mass murder of Jews predate Christianity, but the church raised both to a new level and spread them throughout the world. The church also added a vicious twist to Jew hatred. It told the faithful that by hating and killing Jews, they were avenging the death of their Savior; they were being good Christians.

But what about all those sweet, goopy things the fictional character named Jesus is supposed to have said? Isn’t that the true nature of Christianity? No, the true nature of Christianity is what the great mass of Christians have been doing for thousands of years, which very much includes hating and murdering Jews. Words, however pretty, don’t matter at all when they are ignored. Words are nothing. Deeds are what count.

Those deeds, the centuries of ostracizing and killing, culminated in the Holocaust, the greatest pogrom of all, one carried out with twentieth–century technology and organized with German efficiency but also participated in by vast numbers of non–Germans using whatever tools, modern or primitive, they could find. We think of the Holocaust as something uniquely evil and apart from history, but that’s a mistake. It’s very much a part of history—European Christian history.

So it is that when billboards and social media posts proclaim “He is risen!” I see past the smug Christian moral posturing and self–congratulatory back–patting, the arrogance and sense of superiority posing as humility. I think of those bloody centuries and hear the primitive drumming and sense the bloodlust that is the foundation of it all.

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MayReasonRule

(1,884 posts)
12. Mythological "Jesus" Was YAHWEH's "Word" Made Flesh By YAHWEH's "Spirit" Impregnating A 12 Year Old
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 03:09 PM
Mar 2023

There's an inconvenient "truth".

YAHWEH impregnated a 12 year old child to be "born a man" so as to be sacrificed to save YAHWEH's creation from YAHWEH.
There's another inconvenient "truth".

My personal favorite inconvenient "truth" is this:

No one is a god-damned thing.
No one.

No one needs no god-damned saving, 'cept from the evil and obtuse.
'Cause when the loonies get to raving, ain't no telling what cuts loose...

May reason rule!

LuvLoogie

(7,562 posts)
4. Many peoples have committed atrocities born of bigotries.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 05:02 PM
Mar 2023

Piety is the would be shield protecting their bigotries from moral and ethical judgment.

At the same time, religious faith has inspired acts of great humanity, given focus and perseverance, when all hope is lost, to overcome.

One can look at religion as a cultural tool. Ritual, reflection, community -- help to bind one to an overall purpose of existence in harmony.

The spiritual, mental, and emotional openness it requires to nurture the communion of man leaves us open to the manipulation of sociopaths and liars. They appeal to the dark side, make people believe in their superiority over those not holding their faith or those not holding it correctly

A hammer can build or destroy. One can be a carpenter or a murderer.

No matter what you believe, the choice for good or bad is yours.

Illness might cloud your judgment. You will then need to have faith that others will help you heal while protecting the rest of your community.

What you lead people to, what people will lead you, means you have to pay attention. Find your center, keep your peace, and share it.

Farmer-Rick

(11,500 posts)
5. I had no idea about Lithuania's antisemitic history
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 05:59 PM
Mar 2023

How horrible.

Religion is always used to control the mass of poor and middle class workers. Keeping Jewish people in fear of death sets an example of what waits for you if you dare not follow the Christian gods. It wasn't just the Jews that Nazis murdered but it was the most abused.

It's not just Christianity that uses violence to make people obey. All the religions attempt to control you through violence and threats of violence from worshipers and their gods. The concept of Hell is a never ending threat of torture by a god. Most religions are more overtly violent and brutal on women.

Yeah, the Christian religion here in the US is gearing up for an Easter extravaganza of rituals, myth and dogma. It can be seriously traumatic for people with a history like in your family. Religious trauma is a real and ongoing problem that can make life a living hell.

There are counselors out there who can really help with the pain and trauma caused by religion. Recovering from religion is a good place to start looking: https://www.recoveringfromreligion.org/#rfr-welcome

DavidDvorkin

(19,917 posts)
7. And it persists
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 11:57 PM
Mar 2023

It's not just history.

A few years ago, a family member and his wife went to Lithuania to try to find the spot where our ancestors were murdered in the Holocaust. He was warned not to wear the Star of David he normally wears on a chain around his neck; he was told he wouldn't be safe if he did.

Farmer-Rick

(11,500 posts)
8. Oh my god
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 09:47 AM
Mar 2023

I can not fathom the suffering you and your family continue to experience.

I hope you can find some support through these coming Easter rituals.

RussBLib

(9,685 posts)
9. so many countries have somewhat similar stories
Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:06 PM
Mar 2023

the fact that the persecution of Jews predates Christianity somewhat mystifies me. I can almost understand the persecution based on the misguided notion that the Jews killed Jesus, but that notion just gave justification to the fact that the Jews were already being persecuted. But why? From where did the original animosity originate?

Over the centuries, millions of Jews have died for no good reason. Ugly, ugly history.

MayReasonRule

(1,884 posts)
11. Engaging In Genocidal Barbarism Does Not Build Healthy Relationships
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 02:47 PM
Mar 2023

YAHWEH is one of many mythological warrior "gods".

Each of these cults sought to destroy the others in their entirety.

The Abrahamic cult was better at this than many of their early contemporaries.

My best understanding is that "chickens came home to roost".

Delusion, no matter the flavor, is never one's friend.

Delusion destroys.
Reason restores.

May reason rule.

cachukis

(2,720 posts)
13. I too am of Lithuanian heritage. My grandmother escaped to Rotterdam
Sun Apr 30, 2023, 08:00 PM
Apr 2023

with a babushka holding bread. The Reds versus the Whites. Great story involving bullets. She never learned English very well, but ended up in our household at the end of her life.
She blamed her troubles on the Jews.
I had a great many Jewish friends and was troubled by her animosity.
I was fourteen or so when she moved in. I reflected, in fact to this day, about how we think our ancestors were so sinless in our progenation. But I studied and learned about humanity in such a way that America, in my mind's eye, is filled with my grandmothers.
My younger brother, unaware of my misgivings, waves the Lithuanian flag. I am sure, in Lithuania's long history, there have been many good things promulgated by its leadership, but I am embarrased by its leadership, its populace, perhaps peasantry, that developed such a hatred of the Jews.
But what I have learned, is there are people susceptible to developing hatred as an excuse for not achieving their dreams.
My grandmother's dowry was spent for her brother's opportunity in Brasil. He was never heard from again.
Many search for glorious ancestry, but finding the dark side has its benefits.
I am much more grounded in reality. I still have Jews among my closest friends.

DavidDvorkin

(19,917 posts)
14. Thank you for that post
Sun Apr 30, 2023, 10:53 PM
Apr 2023

Did your grandmother explain how the Jews were responsible for her troubles?

cachukis

(2,720 posts)
15. Money. She had access to none and was led to believe the
Mon May 1, 2023, 06:39 AM
May 2023

Jews controlled all the banks. I am sure in Kaunas, in the time before the Russian revolution, the commoners, my grandmother was a peasant, did not get much more than scuttlebutt for education.
Interestingly, her English never advanced more than rudimentarily.
When I taught reading to high schoolers, I could tell the difference in the foreign students who had advanced vocabularies in their own languages, picked up English much faster than did those who had only social language skills.
My grandmother was afraid of hospitals, because you never came out of a hospital alive.
She was a stubborn survivalist who kept a small garden in our back yard and at 88, weeded like a peasant, bent over for each row.
Her antisemitism, seemed rooted in her education and she wasn't giving it up even though we implored.
She, even stuck in a house with six children on their way to college, never really expanded her language skills.
We did hear some wonderful stories of her life, but when I read about Lithuanian atrocities in WWII, I knew from whence they came.
Not proud of that side of my heritage.
Perhaps Americans should look a little more closely at our own sins.

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