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We're going down! (Original Post) True Dough Feb 8 OP
Praying never works Sector 001 Feb 8 #1
Prayer is nothing but a person's thoughts PJMcK Feb 8 #2
praying to me wishing rurallib Feb 8 #3
Allah Akbar! 4th Feb 8 #4
Snort. littlemissmartypants Feb 10 #21
I've heard "there are no athiests in foxholes" before. pandr32 Feb 8 #5
This one (like so many stupid aphorisms) has always annoyed me. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 11 #28
Brilliant reply DavidDvorkin Feb 8 #6
drumpf's longevity is proof that prayers don't work JoseBalow Feb 8 #7
Truer words True Dough Feb 8 #9
I don't believe they all pray Nigrum Cattus Feb 8 #8
Maybe those listening to the black box True Dough Feb 8 #10
Too good ! - seems like they are always "mistaken" Nigrum Cattus Feb 9 #14
You're.. littlemissmartypants Feb 10 #22
Bad boy?!? True Dough Feb 10 #25
Hi!! 👋 littlemissmartypants Feb 11 #29
Aw, that sounds like a blossoming lifelong friendship! True Dough Feb 12 #31
You CANNOT petition the Lord with prayer! Martin Eden Feb 8 #11
Perfect Old Crank Feb 9 #12
You didn't hear Sully praying. Old Crank Feb 9 #13
Regarding the popular phrase Normanart Feb 9 #15
I was once in a situation when I was sure we were going to crash. NNadir Feb 9 #16
Must have been a terrifying moment! True Dough Feb 9 #17
It's one of the worst, certainly the one that sticks in my mind. I've had a few aborted landings, "go arounds," and... NNadir Feb 9 #18
Didn't know you lived in Norway for a while True Dough Feb 9 #19
I didn't live there. I spent time there on business, as I was working for a Norwegian company. NNadir Feb 9 #20
Oh, dear... littlemissmartypants Feb 10 #23
No worries, I was going for a laugh about not choosing to worship my septic system. NNadir Feb 10 #24
Love the quote. TY. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Feb 11 #30
So why did the plane crash? BOSSHOG Feb 10 #26
Love this! Ranting Randy Feb 11 #27

PJMcK

(23,340 posts)
2. Prayer is nothing but a person's thoughts
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 07:27 AM
Feb 8

There are no magical radio waves to a god. There is no god that takes an interest in anyone’s daily life.

Simply, there is ZERO evidence for the existence of a god.

Religions are control systems meant to manipulate populations. While they supposedly promote morals and values, religions have been the cause of many wars, deaths and destruction. Religions have stifled peoples’ growth and knowledge. They fleece their followers of their money and souls.

My “favorite” prayers are those directed at sporting events. Tomorrow, people will be praying for the Chiefs or the Eagles to win the Super Bowl but only one team can be victorious. Does that mean that this god condemns the loser? With all the things occurring on Earth, is this god really interested in a football game played by millionaires who are “owned” by billionaires?

My “prayer” is that more and more people see the world clearly and without supernatural goggles blinding them to reality in all aspects of life.

pandr32

(12,656 posts)
5. I've heard "there are no athiests in foxholes" before.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 11:11 AM
Feb 8

I suppose they are trying to comfort themselves with false hope.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,238 posts)
28. This one (like so many stupid aphorisms) has always annoyed me.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 06:37 PM
Feb 11

I'm sure there are atheists in foxholes. Also, I don't count on how people behave in the most horrific circumstances as proof of anything except horrific circumstances create confusion, terror, etc. Not conducive to reasoned behavior.

Nigrum Cattus

(417 posts)
8. I don't believe they all pray
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 02:06 PM
Feb 8

I would presume that most of the pilot talk is about
trying to not crash, prayer would mean they have already
given up on not crashing. It's just more RWRE (right wing
religious extremism) propaganda, blah blah blah !

True Dough

(22,015 posts)
10. Maybe those listening to the black box
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 02:55 PM
Feb 8

were mistaken. They may have assumed it was prayer when they kept hearing, "God damn! God damn! This thing ain't workin'!!!"

True Dough

(22,015 posts)
25. Bad boy?!?
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:30 PM
Feb 10





I want to know how things are going with Nollie, LMSP. I asked in your thread last week, but that one must have slipped past you.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/116197182

littlemissmartypants

(26,719 posts)
29. Hi!! 👋
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 10:39 PM
Feb 11

So sorry I missed you! Things move fast and I'm easily distracted so I apologize.

Nollie and I are very good. In maximum teething mode and still doing a bunch of daytime puppy sleeping.

She discovered my feet the other day and spent loads of time barking to warn me while she was obviously trying to protect me from myself or at least my lower appendages.

Thanks so much for asking, True.





❤️

True Dough

(22,015 posts)
31. Aw, that sounds like a blossoming lifelong friendship!
Wed Feb 12, 2025, 04:36 AM
Feb 12

Sometimes I forget about puppy energy. Intense bursts followed by much sleeping because they develop so quickly, relative to human babies, that is.

And the teething is always a challenge until the permanent teeth are in place. Those "milk bone" baby teeth are like little razors! It's always a question of what they chew along the way. With our last pup, we were lucky. He only gnawed on the various toys and dog chews that we bought him. But we've had other puppies who have destroyed shoes and damaged pieces of furniture. Just part of the price we pay sometimes. Hopefully you still have two feet by the end of this phase.

It occurs to me that we're conversing in the Atheists & Agnostics forum. We don't worship god around here, but we sure as heck are devoted to god spelled backwards!

Take care, LMSP. Thanks for the update!

Old Crank

(5,303 posts)
12. Perfect
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 02:31 AM
Feb 9

From my readings and other sources the all knowing God of Abraham loves to kill his adherents. Along with torturing his true believers. All while knowing the results.

Normanart

(288 posts)
15. Regarding the popular phrase
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 03:22 PM
Feb 9

"there are no atheists in foxholes", I wonder if they looked in every single foxhole.

NNadir

(35,209 posts)
16. I was once in a situation when I was sure we were going to crash.
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 03:32 PM
Feb 9

We were on a final approach to landing at Newark late at night in very heavy weather, an ice storm, and suddenly the plane swung I found myself looking straight down the runway from the passenger windows seat.

In fact I thought about my wife and kid but what I said was "Oh shit!"

I don't think my remark had any mystical effects, but somehow the skilled pilot swung the plane back around and we hit the runway hard but fully intact.

I have no impetus to worship my septic system.

True Dough

(22,015 posts)
17. Must have been a terrifying moment!
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 03:36 PM
Feb 9

You flew frequently and that's the "closest call" you've experienced in the air?

NNadir

(35,209 posts)
18. It's one of the worst, certainly the one that sticks in my mind. I've had a few aborted landings, "go arounds," and...
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 04:49 PM
Feb 9

...I remember a flight with my then girlfriend and future wife in a puddle jumper into Aspen out of the old Stapleton airport in Denver, with a bunch of really deep drops in flight - we'd been partying on the layover so were partially anesthetized - but that one, into Newark in an ice storm, is the only one where, for a flashing moment, I felt I might die.

I think we were the last flight in that night and they closed the airport after we arrived.

At one point in my life, I did fly a lot, on average one or two times a week. I remember one time when I flew to California for a few days, flew home to NJ on a red eye, arriving in the morning, hung out with guests for my son's first birthday party, left the party, flew to Norway for a job interview that involved drinking aquavit and who knows what else with the CEO and the guy who would be my future (alcoholic) boss. I probably shouldn't have taken that job, but I did. It was a big mistake.

When I took the first traveling job, for a French company, I thought it would be fun, and occasionally it was, some nice times in Paris to be sure, but overall, it sucked overall after a certain point.

If I had to do that again, it would kill me for sure, crash or no crash.

I'd be like Kliban's Salvadore Quanucci:



Obviously neither Salvadore Quanucci nor I (nor Kliban) could be troubled by these situations since it requires existence to be troubled.

True Dough

(22,015 posts)
19. Didn't know you lived in Norway for a while
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 05:44 PM
Feb 9

Went there on vacation two years ago. Spent a week. Would have preferred to spend a month. Lovely country. The landscapes are gorgeous and the people seem friendly. Electric cars almost everywhere.

NNadir

(35,209 posts)
20. I didn't live there. I spent time there on business, as I was working for a Norwegian company.
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 06:00 PM
Feb 9

You're right though. It's a beautiful country.

littlemissmartypants

(26,719 posts)
23. Oh, dear...
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 03:57 PM
Feb 10

I may burn in hell or die in sh¡t but this made me laugh and I find that I must apologize for finding humor in your near misfortune.

But only if you advise it. Because I truly laughed out loud and woke up the puppy.

NNadir

(35,209 posts)
24. No worries, I was going for a laugh about not choosing to worship my septic system.
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 06:53 PM
Feb 10

It was terrifying in the moment, and probably for a few hours, even days afterward, but the nice thing about fear is getting past it.

My favorite quote from Eleanor Roosevelt:

“You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, 'I have lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along.' You must do the thing you think you cannot do.”


We have it on a refrigerator magnet in our house. I am still willing to fly, although I try to minimize doing so. It's a rather dirty enterprise. In those days it was my job to do it; I had a traveling job.

BOSSHOG

(41,238 posts)
26. So why did the plane crash?
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 09:34 PM
Feb 10

Why is there unbelievable suffering on this planet if prayers are answered? Why do churches get tax exempt status? But I ramble on.

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