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Archae

(46,844 posts)
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:17 AM Feb 2016

Another quack who was dispensing woo (and lots of pills) gets taken down...

Good!

“MCS" doctor shut down

The Maryland State Board of Physicians has ordered Grace Ziem, M.D. to cease medical practice. The summary suspension order was based on the board's conclusion that Ziem was habitually intoxicated by alcohol and ordered excessive amounts of controlled substances for herself and others. The suspension order noted that Ziem practiced medicine 3½ days per week, seeing two or three patients per month for face-to-face office visits and having teleconference consultations with four or five patients a day, many of whom were from out-of-state. From 1994 through 2000, Ziem and an associate served as founding directors of MCS Referral and Resources, Inc., a nonprofit organization whose objective was to legitimatize the medically-rejected diagnostic concept of multiple chemical sensitivity. In 2006, the organization's Web site described her as "an occupational and environmental medicine physician who has specialized in chemical injury and sensitivity since 1987."

http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/ziem/order_2015.shtml

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Another quack who was dispensing woo (and lots of pills) gets taken down... (Original Post) Archae Feb 2016 OP
Good. Have you seen Todd Haynes film "SAFE"? AlbertCat Feb 2016 #1
Yikes. progressoid Feb 2016 #3
The suspended doctor is obviously an alcoholic but this doesn't mean MCS is "woo" LiberalEsto Feb 2016 #2
Oh? Archae Feb 2016 #5
Yeah LiberalEsto Feb 2016 #6
Yup, pick your symptoms, MCS is to blame. Archae Feb 2016 #8
You think what you like. I hate my chemical sensitivities and would love to be rid of them. LiberalEsto Feb 2016 #9
I have science on my side. Archae Feb 2016 #11
I have many years of (sometimes painful) personal experience. LiberalEsto Feb 2016 #12
Sadly, for many, anecdotes and belief are all they want. cleanhippie Feb 2016 #14
She was abusing alcohol, dispensing pharmaceuticals and had Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #4
You're right. Archae Feb 2016 #7
I wish I could be 1/2 as superior. Wilms Feb 2016 #10
How does honesty make one superior? HuckleB Feb 2016 #13
You're halfway there already. Why stop now? cleanhippie Feb 2016 #15
 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
2. The suspended doctor is obviously an alcoholic but this doesn't mean MCS is "woo"
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

Sorry, but I have MCS - multiple chemical sensitivity. It is real.

I don't see how MCS has any bearing on this case. This doctor seems to have serious alcohol and prescription drug-related and domestic problems, the description of which appear to warrant her suspension. I wouldn't want her as my doctor.

I don't know how she treated her MCS patients, but if there were issues regarding her treatment of them, I am certain that the information would be included in this case. No such information is included.

I have sensitivities to almost all soaps, shampoos, conditioners,deodorants, cosmetics, fragrances, cleaning products and laundry products. These things make me itch, develop hives, get headaches, and sometimes experience vertigo. It is hell (and expensive) trying to find the few products I can tolerate.

My suspicion is that these sensitivities developed because my father was the office manager of a soap and chemical company for most of his working life. He frequently brought home new products for our family to try, including floor sweeping compounds, liquid soaps, fragrance samples, bath products and more. We were guinea pigs for new product additives (in the 1950s) such as lanolin and coconut oil. For some reason I was affected, but the others weren't.

Many years ago when I worked at a newspaper in NJ, my eyelids would puff up, my face would turn red and my eyesight got blurred every Saturday afternoon because the weekend cleaning staff was using some cleaning product that badly affected me. I had to stop using certain contact lens products because the polyvinyl alcohol in them made me so dizzy I couldn't drive. When I get my hair cut I have to ask the stylists not to use setting lotion or hairspray. If they inadvertently do, it means starting all over again by washing the stuff out.

I don't wish MCS on you or on anybody, Archae, but I do wish you could see how it affects me and other people.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
6. Yeah
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:15 PM
Feb 2016

Wikipedia:
"In 1997, U.S. Social Security Administration Commissioner John Callahan issued a court memorandum officially recognizing MCS "as a medically determinable impairment" on an agency-wide basis.[44] That is, without making any statement about the cause of MCS or the role of chemicals in MCS, the Social Security administration agrees that some MCS patients are too disabled to be meaningfully employed"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_chemical_sensitivity


From the same Wikipedia article (my comments in italics in parentheses):

"A 1999 consensus statement recommends that MCS be diagnosed according to six standardized criteria:[1][34]

Symptoms are reproducible with repeated (chemical) exposures (Mine certainly are)
The condition has persisted for a significant period of time (Some things have affected me for 50 years)
Low levels of exposure (lower than previously or commonly tolerated) result in manifestations of the syndrome (i.e. increased sensitivity) (Yes)
The symptoms improve or resolve completely when the triggering chemicals are removed (Yes)
Responses often occur to multiple chemically unrelated substances (Yes)
Symptoms involve multiple-organ symptoms (runny nose, itchy eyes, headache, scratchy throat, ear ache, scalp pain, mental confusion or sleepiness, palpitations of the heart, upset stomach, nausea and/or diarrhea, abdominal cramping, aching joints).(Absolutely, in my case)

From: "Multiple chemical sensitivity: a 1999 consensus". Arch. Environ. Health 54 (3): 147–9. 1999. doi:10.1080/00039899909602251. PMID 10444033.

Archae

(46,844 posts)
8. Yup, pick your symptoms, MCS is to blame.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

Just like is noted in the Skeptic's Dictionary article I posted.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
9. You think what you like. I hate my chemical sensitivities and would love to be rid of them.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

I see no point in debating this. It is what it is.
.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
12. I have many years of (sometimes painful) personal experience.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

And science. in my opinion, has a strong vested interest (financial) in denying and concealing the effects of the thousands of chemicals that have been introduced to the human environment over the past 100-plus years. Look at the military's decades of denying the impacts of exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam veterans - my husband's cousin is one of them. DDT. Glyphosphate, the effects of which Monsanto lobbied successfully to hide for years.

FYI I am not some airheaded hypochondriac. I was a newspaper reporter for a major newspaper and regularly covered toxic waste dumps and chemical spills in New Jersey in the 1980s. I owned and often used in my reporting a copy of a thick USEPA guide to chemical compounds that listed their flammability, explosive potential, other hazard potential and suspected or known carcinogen potential. In those days various NJ manufacturers tried to hide the byproducts of their processes
by packing the materials in 55-gallon drums and hiring shady truck drivers to dump them anyplace they could - often in swamps, on farms, fields, vacant lots or - illegally - in landfills. That's how a number of NJ Superfund sites were created. About once a week or more in my part of NJ one of these trucks would overturn and spill, or lose a barrel, or someone would find chemical drums on their property or spot someone dumping them. We used to call it the "dump a day" story because these incidents were constantly happening.

Once I was invited by a company to visit a landfill that was accused of leaking stinking leachate into the Raritan Bay. The owners claimed there was no problem with the landfill. I strolled around for a bit, seeing nothing going on in the limited area I was permitted to see. When I got back to my car, I found that the feet of my pantyhose (I was wearing sandals; it was summer) had completely dissolved. There was absolutely nothing different about what I'd done that day except walk around on dirt paths atop a landfill suspected of containing toxic chemicals. Some airborne compound was obviously emanating from the soil atop the dump. Heaven knows what it was. My paper's rule was that a reporter did not inject oneself into a story, so I didn't write about the invisible fumes coming out of the ground. I wish I had. The landfill's owners had big political connections and whatever was going on that prompted hundreds of people to report the odors coming from the landfill, was more or less quietly settled. The only other time I'd seen nylon pantyhose damaged by chemicals was when I worked inspecting vials of Xylocaine (a successor of Novocaine) at (then-called) Astra Pharmaceuticals in Massachusetts in 1971. We used to toss rejected vials at one another to invite people to join us for coffee breaks. Someone tossed a vial at my feet, it broke and spattered Xylocaine on my leg, and my hose dissolved where the liquid hit. Were those incidents "all in my head"?

I'm not asking you to believe anything, but please don't issue blanket condemnations of MCS, because you know nothing about what it's like to have it. I can't go to CVS and pick up shampoo or laundry detergent like other people, because these will almost certainly cause unpleasant physical symptoms for me. By trial and error I'd found Trader Joe's laundry detergent, and one of their shampoos because they don't give me redness, itching, hives, etc. It is a pain in the ass and costly trying to find things I can use, since I don't know specifically which chemicals are causing my problems. I can guess at a few, and I avoid things containing chemical fragrances, since manufacturers only list "fragrance" as an ingredient and are not required to list specific compounds.

If these companies were ever forced to list, in detail, all the compounds they use in their products and to test them properly, it is my belief that MCS would turn out to be sensitivity to various specific chemicals, but not necessarily the same ones in different people. Not everybody reacts to the same chemicals in the same way, just as some people are allergic to strawberries and others to dust mites and still others to peanuts. And some people have no allergies, or suddenly develop them. I had a 6th grade teacher who was immune to poison ivy all her life, but one day when she was in her 50s she pulled down some poison ivy vines and got a whopping allergic reaction to them. The study of allergies is still in its infancy, and there is much more to be learned.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
14. Sadly, for many, anecdotes and belief are all they want.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

Science and facts take a backseat to feelings.

Sanity Claws

(22,053 posts)
4. She was abusing alcohol, dispensing pharmaceuticals and had
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

Other problems. The loss of her license had nothing to do with MCS.

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