Bereavement
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when my estranged husband killed himself. Used a gun.
My oldest son called me. He had received a phone call from his brother's partner. So he went up to the retirement facility where my husband was living and found police tape cordoning off his father's room. Talked to the police.
I can't say I was surprised. We saw this coming. As recently as a few weeks ago my husband had asked both his sons to get in on a conversation with a woman from an assisted suicide group. He wanted my oldest to order the parts on-line for a suicide machine. Both boys declined to help him.
It's not just the separation/divorce. He was sick. He had been diagnosed about a year ago with probable Lewy Body disease (what Robin Williams had) and had been being followed for several years before that by a neurologist who was well known in the field.
Both boys were initially really angry with me when I left him a year ago because they thought I was pulling a Newt and leaving a sick man. The problem was, that my husband was in total and absolute denial that there was anything wrong with him besides normal aging. He made me keep the possible diagnosis a secret from the boys for a year. He wouldn't close his practice (he was a psychiatrist). He wouldn't talk about selling the house. He wouldn't discuss making plans for how he wanted to spend the last best years...or talk about what I wanted when he was gone. He rejected my observations, fired the neurologist when he was given the probable diagnosis, and then went over to the other medical school across town and withheld his history from two neurologists there so he could manipulate them into saying they saw no sign of either Lewy body disease or Parkinson's. The whole thing was one great big denial and manipulation of everybody to believe there was nothing wrong with him, and an attempt to convince others that I was neurotic and in need of a shrink because I was making mountains out of mole hills.
I couldn't do it anymore. I couldn't stay with a man who had so little respect for me. He was bullying, verbally abusive, and lied about anything and everything all the time. I was so angry and stressed all the time that I figured I would be dead before he was. The love was long gone, because the nasty behaviors weren't a result of the disease, they'd been there all along and I'd been the recipient of them for about 30 years of our 32 year marriage whenever we would have serious disagreements. I learned to bury my feelings, keep things to myself, go along to get along.
So. It ends. Leaving a mess for our sons. The sale of the house now waiting for the attorneys to weigh in on whether it can go forward (due to close a week from today). UPDATE: The attorneys have determined that based on how we held title, title passed to me upon his death and the sale can go forward. That's a huge relief.
It didn't have to end this way. Perhaps it was just more than he could bear. The man had spent his whole life devoted to understanding the mind, and in the end, he was going to lose his. It is a horrible way to go letting a progressive, degenerative, neurological disease run to the very end.
I hope he found peace in those last moments before he pulled the trigger.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)and I hope that things work out as best they can do for You. There is nothing to be done for your estranged husband, he made his choices and that is the way it is.
I have nothing more than Best Wishes to offer, but I certainly do offer those.
blm
(113,841 posts)If you need us there are some strong shoulders here for you. I have never even seen your face, but ....I know I love you.
Siwsan
(27,321 posts)Suicide is so hard to process. It's how I lost my older brother.
I hope you can find some solace, and that your sons will come to understand.
ZZenith
(4,324 posts)I, too, hope he found peace. I wish you continued strength and courage.
LisaM
(28,687 posts)I know the disease must be difficult to live with; a friend of mine had her husband diagnosed with that after a very scary year of memory loss, eventually turning to delusion (after the diagnosis, he went to the hospital, with the understanding he'd never come back, and then, maybe mercifully, got pneumonia and died within days).
His wife hid this from almost everyone, other than talking about the memory loss. But we figured out later she'd been stoically putting up with a lot, and for whatever reason, they didn't tell anyone till it got too much for her (they're both about 80 and she is very small, so I'm sure there were physical issues involved).
Bless you, I'm sorry this had to happen.
Dennis Donovan
(26,772 posts)intheozone
(1,117 posts)some good memories of him that you can take comfort from and that you and your sons have a good support system. Peace to you.
Liberty Belle
(9,616 posts)My father had Alzheimer's and I believe Lewy Body, though he didn't have the official diagnosis. But every symptom was there.
It is a terrible way to die a slow and agonizing death, in the end he starved because he could no longer swallow, was blind, deaf, and couldn't get out of bed. Of course we couldn't put in a feeding tube which could not be removed, so chose hospice instead with enough morphine to make his passing less painful.
As horrible as your ex's death was, he made the choice and having seen the hell that dad went through, it may be the lesser or two evils to just end things before going through that.
If he was abusive for years emotionally, you had every right to end the relationship as he became more combative and unreasonable.
I hope eventually your children will understand that and not blame you for this. Maybe some family counseling would be worthwhile.
MLAA
(18,653 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Death of a loved one is never easy;
but I think death by suicide can be even more difficult for us to deal with.
My father killed himself at the age of 80.
He was only a week or two from dying of emphysema/COPD.
When I was told of his death,
and that he had killed himself,
my first question was "Why?"
"Perhaps it was just more than he could bear".
2naSalit
(93,098 posts)How awful! I'm sorry to hear that you have been enduring this for so long as well as its horrid conclusion. My eldest sister killed herself a few years ago, only a couple years after her husband killed himself. They both had serious health issues, mental and physical.
I wish you and your sons peace through all of this new part of the journey. In some ways it's a release and others something quite different.
Zoonart
(12,795 posts)For your loss, distress, and for your sons' loss.
Seven years ago in January, my sister in law as murdered by her husband, who then killed himself. He was hiding a mental illness diagnosis. My heart truly goes out to you.
Jarqui
(10,497 posts)My mother had mental health issues her whole life, the last ten years with Alzheimer's.
She passed in April. I still feel kind of numb or hollow/drained from it. i think it takes time to heal up and get over it.
CaliforniaPeggy
(152,301 posts)I am very very sorry to hear your news. I'd been wondering how things were going, and well, now I know.
I suspect it was more than he could bear, such an intelligent proud man, seeing what was coming.
You've come to the right place for your story. I've told mine here too, and everyone is so supportive.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)and sorry for your sons too. I am just finishing up a workshop on death and dying from the Tibetan Buddhist perspective. One day, I shall die and the only thing that I shall take with me is my mind. Meaning that my habitual ways of thinking go with me. That's why it is ever so important to practice maintaining a peaceful and compassionate mind in this life right here. May your husband be reborn into a loving family and have the most auspicious rebirth possible.
sheshe2
(87,868 posts)dlk
(12,454 posts)This is an especially difficult time of year to deal with this loss. You are a survivor and can do what it takes to move past this. Be especially kind and gentle with yourself and your sons. Self-care is number one. If you can, just do one thing at a time and eventually you will get to a better place. The legal isssues and details will ultimately get resolved. If you and your sons can be a comfort to each other, that will help. If they are still too hurt and confused and lash out at you (which is common) give them the space they need and focus on your own self care. Again, I am so very sorry for your loss.
badhair77
(4,645 posts)You must be worn out. Please work on self-care and do things to pamper yourself, even if its just eating something special, getting some extra sleep, or getting away from home for a day or two. It sounds like you did what you had to do for self-preservation in leaving him. I wish you peace.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)I wish that I could think of something more to say that would bring some comfort to this situation.
People here care about you.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,634 posts)Karadeniz
(23,455 posts)I bet your sons will need counseling. I hope they do.
malaise
(278,461 posts)Ohiogal
(34,991 posts)May you and your family find a way to get through this together.
Hugs
irisblue
(34,370 posts)shenmue
(38,538 posts)pnwmom
(109,607 posts)knowing there was truly nothing any of you could have done for a loved one who refused real help.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,701 posts)You made some difficult decisions. We get older, wiser, tired of "going along to get along", and then there's our own health to consider as we age. - Yes, I understand, and believe me you're not alone. Thank you for sharing your story. Blessings to you and your family.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Lefta Dissenter
(6,657 posts)Im just so sorry for all of the pain along the way - for the loss of the husband you loved long ago, for all the suffering in the intervening years, and for all of the heartache that comes with any death, particularly when it is suicide.
Just so sorry, I dont even know what to say. I hope you have a good support system around you to help you navigate these difficult times.
martigras
(151 posts)Im sorry for your family and what happened. Sometimes we do the best we can, but it doesnt work out. Although we dont know each other, I am sad for all of you tonite. I wish you peace.
Lonestarblue
(11,928 posts)Your husband sounds like someone who just could not accept the reality of his situation. As someone who lives for the abilitiies of a rational mind, I dont know that I could either. I hope that you are able to accept his decision to end his life and know that many people here, whether we are strangers or not, absolutely wish you peace and acceptance.
bronxiteforever
(9,495 posts)I am sure there is a cascade of emotions as well as being the mom at a bad time for your kids even though they are adults.
Please take care and we all wish you peace.
Solly Mack
(93,053 posts)and sunsets.
Marking the beginning of a new day we are given to live fully, to love and be loved - and a closing that gives hope to another day coming.
Love,
Solly
llmart
(16,331 posts)Words just seem so inadequate sometimes. I have followed your story regarding your marital situation as I shared the details of mine with you. I am so shocked to hear this news and know that you were already dealing with so much. It's almost too much to bear, but please know that I'm sending good vibes your way. Even though we've never met, your DU "tribe" is here to help in any way they can.
My ex threatened suicide several times when we were going through the divorce, not to me because we weren't on speaking terms, but to his two grown children. It was an awful burden to lay on them. They knew he had an arsenal in his house, so it was doubly concerning. He had mental issues also but of course wouldn't admit that he did nor would he get help for them.
Please take care of yourself. You deserve to be taken care of. Keep your loved ones close and let your friends help you in any way you need.
Take care and I am so sorry.
TNNurse
(7,148 posts)You know you have done what you could. Be there for your sons and take care of yourself.
Will be thinking about you as will many on here.
yardwork
(64,622 posts)gopiscrap
(24,203 posts)snowybirdie
(5,664 posts)for your pain and suffering. Peace
fierywoman
(8,125 posts)WheelWalker
(9,202 posts)littlemissmartypants
(25,713 posts)I can understand the confusion and any self doubt that you may be experiencing. Do everything you can to take care of yourself. You will need all of your strength to get through the next few days. I am so sorry that you had so many years of heartache and what sounds like emotional abuse. Even considering that, the grief, feelings of survivor guilt and loss, are still very hard. This group is a very good place to start healing. Make yourself your first priority. My heart goes out to you.
LoisB
(8,866 posts)other.
mountain grammy
(27,338 posts)Its unimaginable unless you live it.
Good luck to you. You deserve it.
herding cats
(19,619 posts)I know it's inadequate, but I wish for happier and healthier days in your future.
Without going into any details, I know well similar symptoms to Lewy Body and my heart is breaking for you and your sons tonight.
So sorry...
elleng
(136,595 posts)sinkingfeeling
(53,129 posts)committed suicide last year, thankfully not with a gun, as I'm the one who discovered her.
You will experience a variety of emotions in the coming months, including anger. Keep centered.
You have my deepest condolences.
catrose
(5,240 posts)Mental illness destroys more than the patient. Hoping the best for you and your sons.
Bettie
(17,273 posts)that is just awful.
EllieBC
(3,381 posts)May your sons find strength in themselves and each other in this time. And may you find peace as well.
CaptainTruth
(7,260 posts)Mira
(22,482 posts)to get through the mantle of sadness as you do the necessary grieving. I'm glad you wrote this to us, I know it helped you to do that.
As you move along in the tracks of all the inevitable to come I recommend you come back here and read your own words to keep yourself focused and steady.
So very sorry, for everyone involved.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,627 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Very difficult situation to deal with. Please explain to your sons just what the problem was with their father. Take care of yourself.
cp
(7,228 posts)You've had a shock. Even though you've found perspective and wisdom, the heart hurts. Please be very kind to yourself.
Thank you for sharing your life with us. We care.
ancianita
(38,771 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,232 posts)Sending my sympathy and great hopes for peace of mind in the future.
steventh
(2,156 posts)I'm holding good thoughts for you.
spooky3
(36,323 posts)do what you did, with this sad and difficult situation. May you have some peace.
BadGimp
(4,063 posts)I can only imagine what you have and continue to go through.
I wish you strength.
JudyM
(29,536 posts)Maraya1969
(23,014 posts)KT2000
(20,907 posts)I hope you can work your way out of this with a minimum of stress.
I am thankful our state has assisted suicide. I wish all states did.
mnhtnbb
(32,102 posts)Here it is 3 am and I am wide awake, which I expected. It means a lot to know there are kind people here to share my sorrow.
I made the decision to call my brother...my Trumpster brother to whom I hadn't spoken in a very long time. I wanted him to know and also asked him to let his kids know. When his kids and mine were growing up we tried to get the cousins together as much as we could, and I think most of them have pretty good relationships with each other now that everyone is grown, despite the fact that the kids are spread all over the country from California to Colorado to Wisconsin to Connecticut to North Carolina and Maryland.
Anyway, it was a typical conversation with him. After a minute or two of expressing condolences, he went on for about 15 minutes talking about his aches and pains and joint problems. He was wanting to know about my recent hip replacement--he's had one, too, and this was my second and both his hip and knees are bothering him, but what struck me was how typically Republican it was for him to turn the conversation to focus on him. Maybe he just didn't know what to say, but mostly I think he didn't know how to listen. To draw me out, to let me talk. That's Republican.
Anyway, those are my 3 am musings. I've been up for a little over an hour now. Maybe I'll try to go back to sleep.
Thank you all.
Thinking of you.
mnhtnbb
(32,102 posts)I just got back from having dinner with my oldest son. It was tough. Lots of tears. No movement on my youngest son--and no response to the e-mail I sent him--guess it's just going to take him more time. I do hope he comes around.
elleng
(136,595 posts)and I'd expect the tears.
Your youngest son will take time, as everyone takes our own time; my younger daughter doesn't speak to her older sister (tho they BOTH ask about eachother.) P.S. Secret: My younger daughter is expecting, so her 4 year old brother will have a sibling in July!
mnhtnbb
(32,102 posts)wryter2000
(47,551 posts)You made the best of a bad situation for years. I hope you and your sons come to terms with what has happened to you and move ahead into better times.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)for you and your sons.
After Williams suicide I read what I could about Lewy Body disease and the psychological symptoms matched what you describe.
Good luck to you as you rebuild.
.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,217 posts)but you are strong. Please try to find peace in that.
Best wishes to you going forward.
karin_sj
(1,097 posts)Lewy Body is a horrible disease. I believe my dad had it, although he was never formally diagnosed. He had every symptom (and there are so many different types of symptoms: physical and mental). It's different than some of the other dementias as the people afflicted with it have wild ups and downs, as opposed to the steady decline of Alzheimer's. The hallucinations, delusions, and anger also make it very difficult for those around them. Plus, people suffering from it are really good at hiding it from others if they choose to do so (called "show-timing" when they put on a show of being perfectly normal in front of doctors and others). My dad did this all the time, hoping to prove to others that he was perfectly fine. When my mom and I were alone with him though (especially in the evenings/nights), we experienced and witnessed the full effect the disease had on him. My dad often told us that he wanted to "end it all," but fortunately, he ended up passing away from kidney failure.
It's really hard for anyone to understand this disease unless you're "in the trenches" with the loved one who has it. I hope that your sons will realize that you were in an impossible situation. The caretakers/loved ones suffer a great deal, along with the victim of this terrible affliction.
Take care and know that a lot of people are thinking of you and sending their support to you.
mnhtnbb
(32,102 posts)and several years ago--after my husband threw himself out of bed acting out escaping from a tsunami--when I was talking to them about all these strange things he was doing, they told me their parents--one mom and one dad--had finally been diagnosed with it. It is very difficult to diagnose--and that's why we had been so lucky to find a neurologist with a national reputation in the field in our back yard. When i discovered the lbd association website--and read all the symptoms--boy, did the light go on. It took about two years for the neurologist to move from possible to probable LBD diagnosis. And yes, my husband was manipulating everyone all during that time to believe there was nothing wrong with him, but I was the one with the problem. Talk about gaslighting!
My oldest son understands. He spent enough time living with his dad after a hospitalization last spring that he really gets it. I had a small hope that when I left it would smack some sense into my husband, but his response was to go sign up on match.com When I found that out, it really reinforced my decision. He just wanted someone to be his audience and caretaker--someone to manipulate--to meet his needs. I told the shrink that I had been seeing for a year trying to figure out how to get him to give up his denial that he was more interested in holding on to his denial than holding on to his wife. The whole thing was just very, very sad.
I am sorry you had to live through it with your dad.
greymattermom
(5,795 posts)My husband is still alive but has intractable major depression, so I understand. Just take it a day at a time, and I hope that your children will help with financial and legal details and with your grief.
Hekate
(95,049 posts)I am so sorry for your many losses. I hope you can go forward from here and construct a good life of your own -- and I hope you ultimately share with your sons what you have shared with us today, and that they will receive it with open minds and hearts.
All the best to you.
SWBTATTReg
(24,255 posts)person who takes their life...no one. I have lost a best friend in this manner, and we too, still wonder as to what was going through his mind.
You may go through life wondering why but the answers will never come, when someone takes their own life. All you can do is rejoice in what was, of the good moments, and remember them in this manner.
Best wishes to you and your boys.
Owl
(3,706 posts)lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)Hopefully, he is at peace, and peace finds you and your sons.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)dem in texas
(2,681 posts)don't feel guilty about leaving him, you did the right thing. you tried as hard as you could and it did not help. He was on a path to destruction and nothing you could have done would have helped and you needed to save yourself. I hope your sons can see this
As far as the house and closing down the estate, that happens to everyone, no matter how they died. If he did not leave a will and you feel like things can get messy, I would hire an attorney to close out the estate. I have been down that road tying to help my mother.
mnhtnbb
(32,102 posts)although my oldest son went back over to the apartment this afternoon and did not find it. It was not where he had put it several weeks ago.
The other son has power of attorney and he has a copy. It's possible that my husband left the will out when he shot himself, and it may have been removed when they "cleaned" the scene. My son says a lot of things have been removed from the apartment. Shooting yourself makes a real mess for someone to clean up. And apparently, the scene has been "cleaned up". My son said he was going to call the investigator and ask about it. He also can't find my husband's address book with everyone's name and phone number. If that was out, it may have been removed, too. It's going to make contacting people quite a chore.
firstwife
(115 posts)as well as your sons. I totally get your mindset. I was married to someone for 30 years who had depression and anxiety, fueled by a steady diet of alcohol. He was also vain and narcissistic. So I spent years dealing with his woes, as well as 2 sons who both inherited his anxiety and depression. I always wondered if Id find his body. So I left and took a 195 lb monkey off my back 13 years ago. It was like a death, but I had to, to save my own soul and sanity. Im so sorry your boys have lost their father, they will have to deal with that forever. You did everything you could for him. Go forward and live your life with happiness, joy and expectation. God bless your family.
mnhtnbb
(32,102 posts)and that's what both you and I did.
Fla Dem
(25,785 posts)I hope you and your family find peace in future.
area51
(12,167 posts)hostalover
(447 posts)JDC
(10,512 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)What a situation for everyone. I'm just glad his attempt completed the deed, because I saw on tv recently a case where it wasn't successful, and the young man was horribly disfigured. I hope he is in peace, now, and doesn't have to suffer.
marehare
(40 posts)My husband died at age 53 after suffering with lung disease. I stood by him til the end along with our kids. We loved him and are still sad he lost his life.
We never discussed selling our home, or anything like that. It's still my home and holds memories that I cherish.
We loved him.
He knew he was dying but we thought we had a little longer.
It seems to me, (however this is just an observation from a stranger), that your relationship wasn't strong on love.
Sad.