2016 Postmortem
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http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/12/01/cnn-anchor-stunned-trump-supporter-newday.cnnGuilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)And challenging The Stupid...is rather a moot point now, isn't it
doc03
(37,059 posts)is in serious trouble.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)She is one of the few TV news anchors who seems to sincerely care about the truth.
Ace Rothstein
(3,302 posts)That's why I've completely stopped watching cable news since the election.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)all in the cause for higher ratings which leads to more money in the TV media's pockets from all the pharmaceutical companies who pay millions to buy airspace for their monotonous 5 minute long commercials. "Reality TV" sells, but I guess truth doesn't.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Same here, but I didn't stay away for long. It is for segments like this that I watch. I love when Trump fans display what idiots they are.
hamsterjill
(15,546 posts)Half of the viewership is as ill-informed and ignorant as the types that are being interviewed here, and those ignoramuses don't get the joke!
We are indeed a "dumbed down" society. It's frightening to me.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...in response to virtually everything Trump and his surrogates were saying.
And, once again, I have to point out that voter fraud (nearly non-existent) is not the same as election fraud. That video is about alleged voter fraud, yet the blurb next to the video used the phrase "election fraud." Face palm, indeed.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)When this person was asked where she had seen or heard that "millions of people voted illegally", (especially in California), she said she thought she had heard it on CNN. When she was told, no, that wasn't on CNN, she reverted to saying that President Obama had told illegal immigrants they could vote in the Presidential election and she implied that millions of illegals had voted in California. There were five Trump supporters being interviewed at the time and a woman standing behind this person was shaking her head in agreement.
Fricking amazing - no wander we lost the election because of low information voters - idiots who will apparently believe anything they are told provided it fits their preconceptions.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/you-think-you-knew-crazy-think-again-10-shockers-increasingly-unhinged-right
We live in a nation where tens of millions of people believe some of the most absurd nonsense imaginable. We also live in a nation where tens of millions of people hate POC, LGBTQ, poor people, and so on.
JudyM
(29,537 posts)from now on. Simply freaking unbelievable!
And here I thought he was the devil...
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:49 AM - Edit history (1)
Seriously, though, everyone here needs to understand that tens of millions of people will never be reached by the Democratic Party. It may be tempting to think it's just a matter of educating/informing people, but studies have made it clear that presenting facts backfires. False beliefs get even more ingrained.
JudyM
(29,537 posts)it is looking now like his apparent intent is to cloak upcoming bad actions with this. Whatever they call him on, he'll just say they're lying. And faux news created this fact-doubting culture. There ought to be a way to sue those SOBs. I'm afraid we're on the brink of a horrible massive cultural erosion. Did you see a group of scientists just wrote him to implore him to stop questioning things that are demonstrated facts?! This is what we are facing. No one will believe he's doing the awful things he intends... he will just keep smokin and jokin with his rally crowds... so if we can't appeal to facts, as you suggest, what is left to do?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Dems have to find a way to turn out more people and combat voter suppression. 40% don't vote in presidential elections. 60% don't vote in mid-term elections.
JudyM
(29,537 posts)we can wake them up.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I think we should start calling it what it really is...Disinformation.
they have plenty of information, just worthless, wrong information.
hamsterjill
(15,546 posts)To me, you could see the stupidity oozing out her eyeballs. I encounter these types in my own area on a daily basis. They not only believe anything they are told, but will argue with you even if you provide facts that dispute their preconceptions. Then, they go find their friends and gang up on you so that you'll be intimidated and yield to them. It's what they've been taught to do - mostly from the pulpit, too.
These types are not capable of independent thought. I honestly don't know if it is a physical or mental incapacity, a need to simply fit in, lack of education or all of the above.
But it is a realistic picture of what we are up against for the next four years at a minimum, and it's frightening.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,084 posts)... disinformation masters like Rush Limbaugh years ago. I didn't think enough people could be dumb/gullible enough to believe it... despite how I'd witnessed the influence with my own eyes at some low-paying factories. I figured, "Well, these people are uneducated idiots, but thankfully they're a tiny percentage of the population."
I'm not even sure how to fight it now because it's been happening for so long. The worst part is that the followers have been sucked into believing the "liberal media" conspiracy to such an extent that even liberal radio shows aren't likely to reach them.
If liberal "think tanks" heavily funded such messages, the damn media is largely corporate owned anyway. There's investment bankers who own the biggest radio conglomerates, for example, and I'm sure that they'd prefer to continue conservative propaganda over liberal information even if lots of money was thrown at them.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I sometimes think it's going to take another Great Depression to wake up many people.
Maybe Democrats should try harder to reach poor folks who stopped voting because they don't think anything will really change?
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)The 24/7 propaganda began with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. Rush Limbaugh was a nobody before then.
Fox "News" would never have existed the way it did without that repeal.
I was horrified when Reagan did it. Right away I said it would allow outright propaganda on the public.
apnu
(8,790 posts)These people are highly tribal. They trust and believe anything their tribal leaders say. Everything outside the tribe is viewed with suspicion and disbelief.
Human beings do this sort of thing all the time, tribalism comes naturally to us, we have to train ourselves to look beyond the tribe. Education is supposed to teach that, clearly it no longer does for many Americans.
Ok, that's a problem that can be fixed, however the more dangerous problem is what the tribal leaders are saying to their tribe members. We know they are openly lying about everything. The white supremacist right has taken over the conservative echo chamber and is filling it up with lies and distortions and paranoia and general fear mongering. They know full well that members of the conservative tribe are fearfully loyal and trusting, they count on that, in fact, to propagate their hateful campaign. To them, the tribe's intense trust of the tribe is a tool to further their scheme.
Its disgusting, deplorable, and abusive.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,084 posts)It might even be ingrained in many people in an evolutionary sense. Humans survived in small family groups for far longer than in larger "civilizations" composed of many "strangers."
People generally moved to civilizations for their own self interest. Peter Turchin claims it was outside threats that brought them together.
I consider Republicans a threat to our civilization, but it might be hard to convince others.
Coincidentally, married people are much more likely to vote Republican than single people. Regular church-goers (another kind of local tribe) are far more likely to vote Republican too.
JI7
(90,979 posts)jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)why did she treat them like demented 2nd graders, they are the reason we are in this mess. Should she have not have corrected them a bit stronger.....google it...... for Christ's sake.
Mariana
(15,212 posts)She could never have convinced them no matter what she said or how she said it. They would have said she was persecuting them or some such shit - and they would have believed it too.
JI7
(90,979 posts)channel.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Jim__
(14,531 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,868 posts)Which I no longer watch!
They only need to fool enough people enough of the time
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)There is NO outreach to the half-wit and the idiot. There is no rational method of convincing the man who states 2+2=22 to stop voting against his own interest. There is no reason to stop calling them (accurately, and by its very definition) idiots and bigots.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)LisaM
(28,806 posts)I think that most of them could do a better job than these women.
Lanius
(630 posts)They will never believe anything not said on right-wing hate radio or not seen on Fox Noise. Unfortunately they can vote (and even run for office) while still being so small-minded and ignorant.
pansypoo53219
(21,819 posts)the rise of the know nothings part 3.0.
JI7
(90,979 posts)and that's why they voted for that piece of shit.
BigDemVoter
(4,556 posts)Infotainment replaced news a long, goddamned time ago. It's been common knowledge that Faux News was an outrageous propaganda mouthpiece for the Fascist Party here, and now, NONE of these rubes can tell what's real from what's not.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)There should have been nearly constant face-palming throughout the campaign.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,854 posts)She smacked her own forehead. It was someone else's forehead that needed slapping.
Disclaimer: Kidding, not actually advocating violence.