BOOOOM!! "hackers are believed to have penetrated at least one state voter-registration database"

[uponit7771]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-white-house-is-scrambling-for-a-way-to-punish-russian-hackers-via-sanctions/2016/12/27/0eee2fdc-c58f-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html

Though Russian government hackers are believed to have penetrated at least one state voter-registration database, they did not tamper with the data, officials said.

Why is this important even after the first WAPO story that broke along these lines mentioned Obama wanting to protect state level voting resources?

Because the FUD and M$M (high paid FUD) have left this part of the Russia hack out of their narrative and focused MAINLY on the DNC hacks by Russia. There has been no (or few) mention of the state level voting machines being associated with the Russian hacks at all past Obama wanting to protect those resources until now ...

2 Things a person COULD believe after hearing this news

1. That the Russians hacked one of the state registrations, looked at the data and said "... well, we'll just leave all this election turning stuff alone... " :rolleyes:

2. That there was ONLY one state level electronic voting resources that were open to hacking in some way.

IMHO, the two aforementioned beliefs would be Trump Voter thinking and improbable...

What's more probable is Russia fucked with the state level electronic voting resources TOO and adds to the conclusion that this election was far from a free and fair election that should not be ALLOWED to be certified on the 6th of Jan and recorded on Jan 19th

Your take?

tia

Update on pre-vote warnings of state level tampering .... Obama DID blow the whites AND so did DHS !!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2669405

2 things from the stories linked in this thread reply

1. Obama admin never waited for Turtle McFuckLips to warn the states, DHS warned them themselves
2. There were suspicions that voter registration tampering would have a negative effect on election

[underthematrix]

1. LOL! The Obama administration doesn't scramble.

[yallerdawg]

2. My take?

One goal accomplished.

Officials say they think that, in addition to helping Trump, the Kremlin had a mix of goals, including undermining Americans’ confidence in the electoral system.

[uponit7771]

3. ABSOLUTELY !! Putin has hated democracy and Obama for going to Russia and claiming that he'd

... never get voted for office in Russia vs the United states seeing blacks in the US are only 13% of US population.

Obama's election was a big slap in the face of Putin's democracy is a shamble narrative.

[Achilleaze]

6. K&R

[HoneyBadger]

4. I am betting that it was California

Counties maintain their own databases in California. Many possible points of entry. Impossible to check them all.

[uponit7771]

5. I think its the same for Florida no?

[HoneyBadger]

9. Not as far as I know

[LaydeeBug]

85. It is for Michigan. nt

[Crash2Parties]

17. Illinois & Arizona?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russians-hacked-two-u-s-voter-databases-say-officials-n639551

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/fbi-states-voting-systems-digital-assualt-227523

California's regulations for the counties are published online and actually pretty good. They incorporate both physical and cyber security, including point-to-point connections only, no Internet.

[certainot]

29. oh yeah! they hacked it for hillary!

isn't a honeybadger a bit like a BEAR?

[aikoaiko]

7. Hopefully, Russian tinkering will lead to paper trails and more secure voting methods

Not enough was done after 2000, 2004 when there were allegations.

[uponit7771]

8. ... you know, there's something still there inside me that says it will and the utlitmate

... trap for KingCon and the GOP would be for Benedict Donald and Mike Penes to be caught along with Ryan (knowing it all) fucking with the election and the whole GOP gets taking down with them.

[Crash2Parties]

18. Who is going to make this change - Congress? The White House?

[aikoaiko]

20. If Russian intervention in polling were documented, it could inflame enough Republicans to act

in concert with Democrats. Maybe.

[Richard D]

31. Not when their guy won.

[aikoaiko]

34. I'm not convinced that a sizable portion of Republicans think of Trump as their guy.

They will still keep the Whitehouse.

[Crash2Parties]

39. But they very much think of Pence as their guy. Trump is just the bright shiny distraction.

[TheFrenchRazor]

42. dream on. it will NEVER happen, because repugs like it this way. nt

[TheLibIn615]

23. Exactly.

Republicans had the opportunity to put country before party this election cycle and tell the leaders of the unfree world to piss off. Instead of doing this, they proved themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt to be undemocratic, unamerican, spineless, and shamelessly treacherous false patriots. No better than Third World tyrants.

Why would they start caring about democracy now? All they care about is power. And they can't keep that by letting the will of the people rule. That would put them in the minority.

[OnionPatch]

32. The states?

I know Pennsylvania has had a Democratic governor and Secretary of State for two years now but it's my understanding that they have electronic machines and no paper trail. Whats up with that? This seems like an obvious place to start. Perhaps if they had done something before the election we would not now be facing the horror of a Trump presidency.

[jimlup]

54. Paper trails don't appear to actually matter

as we observed in Michigan this year.

I have been a Michigan precinct captain several times. We have paper ballots that feed into scanning machines. But as we observed in Detroit this year... if the total number of votes don't match the number of paper ballots the recount is disallowed (??) Only anti-democratic Republican irrationals could pass such a law but in Michigan they have succeeded in doing just that.

[TheFrenchRazor]

75. it's not who votes that count, it's who counts the votes. that has been proven beyond a shadow of a

doubt.

[femmocrat]

10. I sure hope this all comes out.

However it happens, just so it does. We need to fix this, right f-ing now!

[mountain grammy]

11. My take?

This election stinks. I don't believe for a minute trump won WI, MI, or PA. It's all rigged.

[mythology]

14. So how did they rig Michigan with their paper ballots?

[mountain grammy]

27. Suppression

Lots of problems in Detroit. Just my opinion

[triron]

33. Come on!

The ballots are tabulated using machines. Electronic voter databases could also have been hacked. etc

[TheFrenchRazor]

43. um, when were the paper ballots counted by hand/eye? nt

[Botany]

52. this help?

Officially, Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes. But a record 75,335 votes
were never counted. Most of these votes that went missing were in Detroit and Flint.

http://www.gregpalast.com/palast-report-democracy-nowby-rejecting-recount-michigan-covering-75000-ballots-never-counted/

[uponit7771]

62. WOW, I read about the machines breaking down ... 75,000 votes not counted !!! SMDH

[Botany]

72. The real story behind the 2016 election is not only the Russian hacking, Comey, and a shit bag ....

... media but not the rural white turn out but the removal of millioins of blacks from voting or having
their votes counted.

[LaydeeBug]

79. yes. this. we need to replace ACORN nt

[tenorly]

16. It's indeed almost certainly what happened.

We all remember the electronic voting machine havoc in Wayne County, MI, where over a third of the county's precinct were determined to be impossible to recount - and almost all of those were in Detroit proper.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/

The chances that some Russian hacker didn't have a hand in this (probably working from Canada), are getting slimmer by the day.

[Crash2Parties]

19. He kept bragging that it was rigged; we just misinterpreted his words.

[Hekate]

28. Now you're getting it

[uponit7771]

61. +1

[Maraya1969]

12. My thoughts are what are they going to do to stop this next time? AND stop other threats that

haven't been carried out yet? Like the military this is a war maneuver that needs planning, reconnaissance and action.

If Democrats just report this and do nothing for 2 years and allow this shit again I quit!

The Republicans took over 1,000 seats in the last 8 years??? That is by design. That is by surreptitious, well executed design, and of course it involved thievery.

[TheFrenchRazor]

44. you're catching on... nt

[Botany]

13. And was that the I.T. /data firm that was in London that was staffed by Russians and Trump was ...

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.... paying over a million a month to?


"Though Russian government hackers are believed to have penetrated at least one state
voter-registration database, they did not tamper with the data, officials said."

who buys that crap? w/the voter-registration d-base then "they" could target projects
like cross check in order to get the outcome that they wanted.

This was a coup and the people behind it are guilty of treason.

[KamaAina]

15. Or they messed with the data and then restored it after it was no longer needed.

Kind of like the beacon at the Eveleth, MN airport that was found to be slightly out of kilter after the Wellstone crash, as though it had been tampered with beforehand and almost, but not quite, reset.

[uponit7771]

50. Yes... I don't believe for a split second the just looked and went away

[Baitball Blogger]

21. I don't know why we are being so cautious about this issue.

I think Russia did more than tamper with the election with the email hacking. I think there was election tampering at the ballot box, which means Russia voted for our president. And, as long as that perception persists I don't see how Trump will ever be taken seriously.

[joanbarnes]

22. I've known it all along.

[world wide wally]

24. We are playing politics...

They are playing war

[ElementaryPenguin]

25. Exactly!

And once again, Dems brought a knife to a gunfight!

[uponit7771]

47. +1

[LaydeeBug]

55. This post might win DU Election 2016 for-EVER. nt

[Cracklin Charlie]

26. MSM?

According to them, this story never happened.

Tonight was all about mayhem in shopping malls.

[Hekate]

30. Most important news today: Lindsay Graham & John McCain in Estonia, telling US reporters...

....that 99 out of 100 US Senators believe Putin hacked the US election, and that he has repeatedly interfered in Estonia and elsewhere, that this is serious, and that the Senate has plans for the new year.

While they deny that Putin got Trump elected, they are now admitting how serious a threat to our country this is.

I wonder who the one holdout in the Senate is?

[AmericanActivist]

35. I also wonder who the 1 holdout might be...? nm

[Snarkoleptic]

36. Drip, Drip, Drip

Next stop...
Recently leaked info that sophisticated, previously undetected malware was employed.
Nothing we can do now but wait until the next hacked election.
Go shopping, don't despair.
Nothing to see here.
Move along.
Shop.
Obey.
Buy.

[colsohlibgal]

37. Enough Is Enough

There are easy ways toward foolproof easy registration and voting. Paper ballots. Monitored custody and counting by neutral foreigners, maybe Switzerland. Counting videotaped.

Why has there been no push from the continually swindled democrats?

Our hodge podge myriad procedure hackable machines not to mention registration made harder than it should be.....why?

It is so frustrating.

Only in America.

[TheFrenchRazor]

45. dems are mostly useless stooges. nt

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

38. I've been saying since before the election that Trump's "rigged election" claims were just like

everything else he accused Clinton of: projection. Not psychologically unaware projection, but intentional projection as a propaganda technique. He knew for sure the Ruskies were going to hack for him or he at least had reasonable expectations that they would.

[iluvtennis]

40. +1,000,000...He's a traitor and needs to be charged for treason against this country. nt

[longship]

41. Voter registration lists are public records.

And are available to the public.

No hacking necessary.

The political parties use the registration data bases all the time.

[uponit7771]

49. Not the last minute stuff...

[longship]

51. What the fuck are the last minute stuff?

I served as an county Democratic Party officer and we regularly had access to the voter registration data base, as did our GOP opponents. They are fucking public records so anybody can access them, if they pay the very nominal fee, easily affordable by even small county party organizations. Ours was the most populous county in the state, so the data base was easily obtained.

That's how we organized our walking lists, and our GOTV program.

Voter registration lists are easily obtained. Anybody claiming otherwise is misinformed.

[uponit7771]

63. provisional shit, read post 52, 87 machines don't just "break down"

[uponit7771]

64. So there's no same day voting or same day registration where you worked? If the Voters get

... knocked off the registery through the hack then their votes don't count

I can see that

Either way, this is like talking about how bad the crime is vs the crime being committed enough means a do over period.

I don't believe for a second the Russians went into the voter registration of just one state, looked around and said ... well fuck all this Benedict Donald election turning information shit, let someone else have it... not for one second.

[longship]

66. Well, I just don't buy conspiracy theories.

For one, here in Michigan, where I now live, all voting is via paper ballot, the so-called secure voting method. (Hint: it really is the most secure.) But that did not stop the screeching that the outcome here was somehow hacked, or something.

Why is it that whenever our candidate loses, the election must be hacked, or rigged? That sounds an awful lot like what Drumpf was saying before the election, that it was rigged.

I don't take either claim seriously, especially since the margins in PA, MI, and WI were well outside any possible rigging.

We lost this election. And no, I refuse to speculate on blame.

[Takket]

46. You can't rig the vote with access to the registration database.

This helps prove Russia was working for trump but not that they actually changed any vote totals.

[uponit7771]

48. If votes aren't registered they can't vote... Bout it right? tia

[FBaggins]

57. So they just go home and say "oh well"?

In that scenario there would be hundreds of thousands of people screaming that they were disenfranchised. It wouldn't be possible to hide it, since must of then would have voted previously and there could be no record of their registration being removed for a valid purpose.

[uponit7771]

60. YES, 90% of the time or just vote provisional which in each of the states for the recount they

... fucked those up IIRC

[FBaggins]

67. That would make sense a day after the election

But it makes no sense at this point. Why would they remain silent now?

And no... The provisional ballots in the key states were process as normal. Those (along with absentees) were the ones you heard about spun as corrections made before the recount even started.

[uponit7771]

69. The same reason they remained silent in 2000 with Florida, 20000 people didn't know they

... were off the registration.

So yes, last minute purging does work relative to what happened in Florida

[Vinca]

53. Hacking to change an election would not be a big operation.

They would just target a couple of swing states and next thing you know an orange idiot has won.

[FBaggins]

58. It would be a massive operation

There weren't just a couple states involved (and even one would be huge)

[TheFrenchRazor]

76. you don't have a clue, besides with russian state resources and tech know-how, it would be easily do

doable.

[Amishman]

56. Russia... Or DHS? We already know DHS tried to hack GA

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/12/08/homeland-security-tied-to-attempted-hack-of-georgias-election-database-report.html

[uponit7771]

59. I read something like this earlier and it went in one ear and out the other.... there's something

... fucked up about this election... very fucked up.

This is alarming

A third-party security firm working for the state detected the unsuccessful breach and linked it to an IP address associated with DHS

I bet its Flynn, he's bat shit crazy

[Brainstormy]

65. Georgia's voter database was definitely hacked

They announced it weeks ago. But they're blaming the Dept of Homeland Security. http://constitution.com/homeland-security-try-hack-georgias-voter-registration-database/

[uponit7771]

68. This is some crazy shit here... they tracked the IP to DHS... most likely have a record of the

... IP trace too.

[UCmeNdc]

70. There is something wrong going on with the FBI. They refuse to investigate

the hacking officially.

There is a cover up.

[uponit7771]

71. Yeap, looks like Comey is complicate at best... the Clinton letter was released while a hacking

... letter wasn't

That counters is claim that he wanted to be non partisan.

He's a fuck

[TheFrenchRazor]

77. GOParty before country; it's pretty obvious. nt

[LaydeeBug]

73. My take is that this will be a strongly worded letter and not much more. nt

[TheFrenchRazor]

78. pretty much. democrats are completely useless. nt

[uponit7771]

81. yeap, I pray me and you are wrong on this

[KatyBR]

74. Dept of Homeland Security Warned 25 states

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/russia-s-senior-most-officials-ordered-dnc-hack.html

Officials also said they had detected Russian attempts to target state and local-level elections systems.

“We also worked as quickly as possible to release as much information as possible in order to provide state and local officials sufficient time to fortify their infrastructure,” the official said. The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have put state elections officials on notice that hackers have been trying to access voter registration files and could cause havoc on Election Day. So far, 25 states have asked the department to help scan their computer networks for security weaknesses...

See also Washington Post reporting early hacks in Illinois and Arizona

“This was a highly sophisticated attack most likely from a foreign (international) entity,” said Kyle Thomas, director of voting and registration systems for the Illinois State Board of Elections, in a message that was sent to all election authorities in the state....

The Russian campaign is also sparking intense anxiety about the security of this year’s elections. Earlier this month, the FBI warned state officials to be on the lookout for intrusions into their election systems. The “flash” alert, which was first reported by Yahoo News, said investigators had detected attempts to penetrate election systems in several states and listed Internet protocol addresses and other technical fingerprints associated with the hacks.

But experts said that if a foreign government gained the ability to tamper with voter data — for instance by deleting registration records — such a hack could cast doubt on the legitimacy of U.S. elections.
James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, has told Congress that manipulation or deletion of data is the next big cyberthreat — “the next push on the envelope."

source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-is-investigating-foreign-hacks-of-state-election-systems/2016/08/29/6e758ff4-6e00-11e6-8365-b19e428a975e_story.html?tid=a_inl

[TheFrenchRazor]

80. nothing to see here folks, move along... nt

[uponit7771]

82. There it is then !!! Thank you SOOOOOO much for this cause there those who are intimating...

... deleting voter registriation isn't a tangible issues

[Achilleaze]

83. k & r

America under attack by Russian-Republican "Evil Empire" hatemongers.

[LaydeeBug]

84. another kick. Bookmarked.

[uponit7771]

86. Kicking this, not letting this go

[triron]

87. now we find out hackers

penetrated electric grid. What mischief have they been able to achieve, probably covering their tracks.