I was pistol whipped last night and broke my nose.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

At a pub last night. Another person who I did not know say at a table across from me out back ( in the smoking area). I assume we know a mutual person who apparently was lying about me. All the drama aside, we had an heated exchange of words. He pulled up his shirt, exposing his pistol. I yelled at him, asking if he was going to shoot me. I don't know how, but the next moment, I felt something extremely hard and heavy, lights out. My head and nose felt like one of those spring door stops. From what little I could see, there was blood everywhere.

Blood was still pouring from my nose when I went inside, everyone gasping and pointing, to ask the bartender to call 911. I went and sat down outside on the curb, and no one came out to help me. 20 minutes later, I went inside and asked if an ambulance was coming.

They hadn't called anyone!!

I started screaming at them to fucking call 911, that a crime had been committed, and that I was in need of medical help. My nose was still dripping blood all over the place. I finally shamed them into calling the police which took a few minutes more!

So, they waited around 25 to 30 minutes before calling 911.

Can I sue the bar?

Edit: a cook was a witness.

The police came last night and I told them they had cameras. They didn't file a report! They were treating me like a suspect. I had to ask one cop to stop questioning me, and that I wanted to talk to the other one.

I talked to a very nice police officer this morning who confirmed that a report has not been filed, but that he was filling one and a detective will be calling me soon.

[tblue37]

1. Probably, but you need witnesses. Also, if there are security tapes, get them before they are erased

and/or recorded over.

Oh, and get medical care on record and file a police report immediately.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

4. I did and a cook was a witness.

The police came last night and I told them they had cameras. They didn't file a report! They were treating me like a suspect. I had to ask one cop to stop questioning me, and that I wanted to talk to the other one.

I talked to a very nice police officer this morning who confirmed that a report has not been filed, but that he was filling one and a detective will be calling me soon.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

10. I'm thinking about buying a gun (legally).

I don't ever want to be at a disadvantage like that again.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. Please do a lot of investigating

Plan carefully and train often if you decide to carry.
Study the law.

Be prepared for the ongoing costs.

I post often in the GC&RKBA group: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172



FYI: I'm not sure where you live but laws vary from place to place. For example, I live in NJ. If you not a government official, 1%er or celebrity, you have no chance of getting a CC permit at all. The person who attacked you is guilty not only of aggravated assault but also, in most places, brandishing.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

12. Thank you for the information.

I'm just thinking out loud. Chances are, I won't. Before I do, I will investigate thoroughly.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

13. No problem

It's terrible that someone got evil and violent.
No one like that should have a weapon.

I hope your recovery is fast.


I personally prefer to live by #26 from the USMC rules for gun fighting:
"Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation."
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/GunfightRules.asp

[Fantastic Anarchist]

14. Yep. They actually just texted me with a threat ...

....saying, "that was just a taste."

I don't know how stupid these guys can be. I'll let them continue to incriminate themselves, though.

At this point, I'm letting the police handle it.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

15. let me just say...

...it would be rude to point and laugh at this person's sentencing in court.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

16. Can I smile?

[cwydro]

19. How did they get your phone number?

I thought you didn't know them.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

20. We both know a mutual person.

When he showed me his gun, I said, "You must know ..." to which he confirmed. The mutual person has been making up lies about me for about 10 or 11 months. I wasn't there to defend myself. This stranger confronted me about them, and that's how I knew it was the mutual person.

[elleng]

2. Yes, probably.

[cwydro]

3. I gotta ask. Do you not have a phone?

I thought all of America has a phone.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

5. My cell phone was dead.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. You can *sue* the bar but you won't *win* unless you can prove

that the bar's failure to call 911 when you asked them to somehow made your injury worse. Also, they would probably argue that after you went outside, it appeared to them that you weren't badly hurt and had simply left the premises on your own. They could claim they thought you'd left and so didn't see any reason to call 911. On the other hand, in some jurisdictions, if you are a business invitee (customer), a business has a general duty to aid an injured person or take reasonable steps to prevent them from being injured. But you'd still have to prove the bar's failure to act caused or worsened your injury. You should contact a lawyer in your area for specific advice.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

7. Thank you. I appreciate the advice.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. It isn't really advice - just a little help to get pointed in a useful direction.

You need to contact a local attorney because the laws aren't necessarily the same everywhere.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

9. Yes, I understood that. Thanks for the guidance.

I will contact one on Monday.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

17. Bars are reticent to report these incidents because it can be a mark against their liquor license.

Pistol whippings don't look good on your record.

Neither does attempting to cover them up.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. Good point!