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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Kerrycrat

(159 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:35 PM Apr 2020

It's all about delegates and influence now

Bernie realized he couldn’t win. But I’m reading that he’s encouraging his supporters to continue to vote for him.

So now he’s going for influence at the convention. He will wield the delegates he continues to gain to push for his agenda there.

It’s a play for relevance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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It's all about delegates and influence now (Original Post) Kerrycrat Apr 2020 OP
we've seen this movie before nt msongs Apr 2020 #1
Sorry, but I'm having some cynicism about this move now. It's almost looking like Sanders R B Garr Apr 2020 #2
Nope. I am voting still in Ohio...and I encourage others to do the same thing. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #4
That is great news! I admit it was my cynicism, but I've seen nothing from him R B Garr Apr 2020 #5
DeWine although GOP is not in the death cult and has acted responsibly. We have a mail in vote on Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #11
The mail in works really well for us. But we drive the ballots in just to make sure R B Garr Apr 2020 #13
That is what we will do also. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #15
That's one hell of a dance you're describing Kerrycrat Apr 2020 #6
I understand, but I got this from Sanders' focus on delegates. R B Garr Apr 2020 #7
In other words, he will do nothing to stem the vitriol against Biden from his supporters LongtimeAZDem Apr 2020 #3
If he wants to be relevant, he should drop the nonsense and back Biden and other Democrats. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #8
His 'Influence', Sir, Will Dwindle By The Hour The Magistrate Apr 2020 #9
Biden has already acknowledged Sanders' relevance. He said yesterday ... ancianita Apr 2020 #10
Maybe he can put Cornel West on the platform committee again... SidDithers Apr 2020 #12
It over Francis. Get over it. William769 Apr 2020 #14
Late last night on FB, I had 3 separate ads for Sanders come up asking for money. 2 nights in a row LizBeth Apr 2020 #16
 

msongs

(70,230 posts)
1. we've seen this movie before nt
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:37 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(17,385 posts)
2. Sorry, but I'm having some cynicism about this move now. It's almost looking like Sanders
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:44 PM
Apr 2020

wants to mitigate the blow-outs against him by appearing to have dropped out, while he is still collecting delegates.

The blowouts in favor of Biden were what put the count out of reach for Sanders.

Sanders knows his supporters will still show up, but other voters might take him at his word that he is out, when he pretty much isn't if he still is advocating for delegates. That would close the blowout delegate count in Sanders favor. I hope I'm wrong, but that is what it kinda looks like.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,033 posts)
4. Nope. I am voting still in Ohio...and I encourage others to do the same thing.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:46 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(17,385 posts)
5. That is great news! I admit it was my cynicism, but I've seen nothing from him
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:50 PM
Apr 2020

to prove that this is not another...angle.

So glad to hear you will be voting! Stay safe, but I know I would make sure I voted, too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,033 posts)
11. DeWine although GOP is not in the death cult and has acted responsibly. We have a mail in vote on
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:08 PM
Apr 2020

April 27th I think...ordered my ballot last week.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(17,385 posts)
13. The mail in works really well for us. But we drive the ballots in just to make sure
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:27 PM
Apr 2020

they get delivered. They have the drive-through all set up and you just drop your ballots into a cardboard box someone extends to your window. Very well organized and thought out. Glad you are doing mail in!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,033 posts)
15. That is what we will do also.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:45 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kerrycrat

(159 posts)
6. That's one hell of a dance you're describing
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:52 PM
Apr 2020

My mind just doesn’t work that way. Wow

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(17,385 posts)
7. I understand, but I got this from Sanders' focus on delegates.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:55 PM
Apr 2020

From his own words in his supposed dropout speech, in which he describes his quest for more delegates -- a bit of duplicity there. He is very concerned about delegates, so I question what the motives are for him. It's sort of like your OP but an opposite take, although I admit it is more cynical.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,515 posts)
3. In other words, he will do nothing to stem the vitriol against Biden from his supporters
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 01:46 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
8. If he wants to be relevant, he should drop the nonsense and back Biden and other Democrats.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:05 PM
Apr 2020

Instead of continuing to make it all about himself.

The number of delegates he has will be irrelevant - Biden will win easily on the first ballot, as was going to be the case since about Super Tuesday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
9. His 'Influence', Sir, Will Dwindle By The Hour
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:07 PM
Apr 2020

Already his most devoted followers on social media are denouncing him as a sell-out who betrayed the 'Bernie' movement. Not for nothing is it said revolutions eat their own.

My guess is that about one in seven of his followers will not vote for Mr. Biden come November, and these are mostly people who would not normally vote for a Democrat in the first place place --- they would vote Green or Libertarian, or not at all. Sanders has not really led them, merely accumulated them by erecting himself as a figurehead for their varied discontents. He has no control over them. The rest of his followers will come to Mr. Biden, with varying degrees of regret, because they recognize the importance of turfing out the cheap thug Trump, and they will do so on their own. Sanders has no especial guiding influence over them either. The man just has nothing he could deliver, and a politician who cannot deliver a voting bloc cuts a very poor figure indeed. There is not even any point in attempting to court the dead-enders who comprise the one in seven faction, for anything they might respond to would repel many among the middle of the road types who have grown disgusted with the cheap thug Trump, and the latter are by far the larger group.

Attempts to 'influence' the Party platform are simply laughable, and it is hard to believe the man takes the matter seriously enough to threaten disruption over it. In campus Marxist cliques, and meetings of the more outre far left parties, platforms and manifestos matter, because they mark who is on top in the organization, and who must accept being on the bottom or else leave to form a new clique. But nowadays the platform of a major national party is meaningless, it neither guides the campaign nor directs any action of people who are elected to office once they are sworn in.

By August the reality of the situation may well have sunk into even so impervious a mind as that of Sanders....





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(38,786 posts)
10. Biden has already acknowledged Sanders' relevance. He said yesterday ...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:07 PM
Apr 2020

"Bernie has an incredible following.

Bernie's one of probably a half a dozen people in American history who may not be the nominee but has had an impact on American politics in a significant way...and a positive way," Biden said.

"So if I'm the nominee, I can tell you one thing: I would very much want Bernie to be part of the journey, engaging in all the things he's worked so hard to do, many of which I agree with."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SidDithers

(44,273 posts)
12. Maybe he can put Cornel West on the platform committee again...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:25 PM
Apr 2020


Sid
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

William769

(55,842 posts)
14. It over Francis. Get over it.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:37 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(10,867 posts)
16. Late last night on FB, I had 3 separate ads for Sanders come up asking for money. 2 nights in a row
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 02:49 PM
Apr 2020

Sanders is just so not a Democrat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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