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David Boyle

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8. Too, "so-called state" may be deemed insulting

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:24 PM

Nov 20

The Vatican managed to take a Palestinian state seriously.

And if such a state should have existed anyway, it's not rewarding Hamas to recognize Palestine. David Hoffman, who may not be a Palestinian (?), didn't seem to have a problem with recognition.

Finally, as for "This is definitely not going to happen, thankfully.", predicting the future doesn't always work...

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Ask Biden to recognize officially the State of Palestine and get back our hostages [View all] David Boyle Nov 20 OP

Again, this post isn't asking for an arms embargo, or even a ceasefire David Boyle Nov 20 #1

Hamas says they don't know where all the hostages are. They kill one every so often. They know. keithbvadu2 Nov 20 #2

They're not nice people David Boyle Nov 20 #3

Shalom, salaam, see you later in a better place for us all David Boyle Nov 20 #4

Who would lead this so-called state? tritsofme Nov 20 #5

New blood happens David Boyle Nov 20 #6

Doesn't that need to be resolved before there is a "state"? Or is this recognition more just akin to a participation tritsofme Nov 20 #7

Interesting observations David Boyle Nov 20 #9

I'm sorry, Mossfern Nov 21 #13

Quora article David Boyle Nov 21 #14

Of course Palestinians who are citizens of Israel Mossfern Nov 21 #18

Some truth to this David Boyle Nov 21 #23

In 2005, when Israel dismantled all settlements in Gaza And unilaterally disengaged from Gaza, Beastly Boy Nov 21 #16

Yes, there is some bad history. David Boyle Nov 21 #22

Hamas actively assasinates political rivals and dissidents in Gaza NickB79 Nov 22 #93

Useful observation David Boyle Nov 22 #95

Too, "so-called state" may be deemed insulting David Boyle Nov 20 #8

Who cares about what the Vatican did or what Hoffman doesn't have a problem with? TheKentuckian Nov 22 #115

Ask Hoffman David Boyle Nov 23 #118

Install a dictatorship for the next decade or two Polybius Nov 22 #43

Ouch David Boyle Nov 22 #49

In some cases, they're necessary when the people can't be trusted to make the correct choices Polybius Nov 22 #50

Whaaaat! David Boyle Nov 22 #57

For us, sure Polybius Nov 22 #114

Though I see what you mean, David Boyle Nov 23 #120

I like it. Eko Nov 20 #10

Thanks so much! David Boyle Nov 20 #11

HuffPost "Exclusive: White House Says Democrats Who Oppose Weapons To Israel Are Aiding Hamas" David Boyle Nov 21 #12

Try for what? I want it fucking GONE. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #71

No, recognizing Palestine in general (including future iterations), is not recognizing a terrorist state David Boyle Nov 22 #81

Of course it is. The government is terrorist now and the "representatives" have ALWAYS been such. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #94

Not fond of theocracy or terrorism; I want Israel to live David Boyle Nov 22 #96

Succinct! JustAnotherGen Nov 22 #98

Haw haw!! David Boyle Nov 22 #100

Thx JustAnotherGen Nov 22 #113

How can one recognize Palestine, without recognizing terrorists? yagotme Nov 23 #122

In the abstract, maybe David Boyle Nov 23 #126

Unfortunately, we have to deal with reality, not abstracts. yagotme Dec 5 #166

Yes, you can separate the two. canuckledragger Nov 27 #129

Good point David Boyle Nov 29 #130

No civilians were lied about in the comment I posted. yagotme Dec 5 #167

May's well mention my Breaking News article, David Boyle Nov 21 #15

Please direct all current requests to the president-elect Blue_Tires Nov 21 #17

I know there's a temptation to say that David Boyle Nov 21 #21

Exactly. Let those uncommitted voters deal with the sociopath. Elections have consequences, and this election JohnSJ Nov 22 #30

Mistakes have been made... David Boyle Nov 22 #35

Too late for that. I suspect they can kiss the two state solution goodbye. JohnSJ Nov 22 #37

You never know David Boyle Nov 22 #48

You never know. Watch em annex Gaza. It's over. It is probably over JohnSJ Nov 22 #52

Keep fighting! David Boyle Nov 22 #54

I am, fighting for that terrorist rabble to be defanged and then TheKentuckian Nov 22 #103

I decry ethnic cleansing of Jews, David Boyle Nov 22 #106

Too late to decry now it is what it is. Time for the "Palestinian" Arabs to disperse. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #108

Some Arabs are Christian... David Boyle Nov 22 #109

That live in oppression and that sliver means nothing to the big picture. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #110

Some Arab Christians may be oppressed, by either side, they might feel David Boyle Nov 23 #119

There has been a Palestine since biblical times iemanja Nov 23 #121

Heh ... ouch David Boyle Nov 23 #125

Jerusalem has been Israel's capital for decades. tritsofme Nov 22 #53

U.S. voters elected Trump. Biden and Harris are out of options. yardwork Nov 22 #38

Same here, and I am tired of people making excuses for these JohnSJ Nov 22 #51

Despair? David Boyle Nov 22 #56

Take it somewhere else. yardwork Nov 22 #58

Noooooooo! David Boyle Nov 22 #59

You have a defense secretary nominee who has written he could see JohnSJ Nov 22 #60

Not trying to be Little Miss Muffet, I'm not, but David Boyle Nov 22 #61

Can't complain about voting for Harris David Boyle Nov 22 #55

The opportunity was lost on November 5. yardwork Nov 21 #19

Limited, true David Boyle Nov 21 #20

One interesting Catholic point of view at America magazine, is David Boyle Nov 21 #24

I like the sentiment but I can't see this flying as it will be seen as "rewarding" Hamas after 10/7 LymphocyteLover Nov 22 #25

Some may see it that way David Boyle Nov 22 #26

Fact that bullshit. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #72

I imagine there are some David Boyle Nov 22 #80

Not enough to endorse the creation of a terrorist state TheKentuckian Nov 22 #92

The number of "good ones" may grow over time, David Boyle Nov 22 #97

Useful observation JustAnotherGen Nov 22 #99

Thx David Boyle Nov 22 #101

Or it may not, Put em on the run or into holes. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #104

Holes? David Boyle Nov 22 #105

Late in the game, doubt it would have much affect and Don would probably undo it but open to the thought dutch777 Nov 22 #27

Very thoughtful reply David Boyle Nov 22 #28

Sad this is where we have to focus our thoughts. We should be colonizing the Moon and Mars by now... dutch777 Nov 22 #31

Recognize the State of Mars! David Boyle Nov 22 #32

Nelson Mandela: 'It always seems impossible until it's done.' C0RI0LANUS Nov 22 #29

Great pic, great sentiment! David Boyle Nov 22 #33

Nope. nt LexVegas Nov 22 #34

That was succinct! David Boyle Nov 22 #36

Yes C0RI0LANUS Nov 22 #39

Heh David Boyle Nov 22 #47

Bibi doesn't give a shit what Biden has to say Takket Nov 22 #40

Recognition might move the needle in ways that people might have to deal with, even if unliked David Boyle Nov 22 #44

The United States should not reward Hamas terrorists for October 7 Jose Garcia Nov 22 #41

Yes, but this isn't a reward for them David Boyle Nov 22 #45

The Vatican also want abortion to be illegal. Just like it is in Gaza Jose Garcia Nov 22 #66

I didn't say the Vatican is perfect David Boyle Nov 22 #67

They have to recognize Israel's right to exist cabotnn22 Nov 22 #42

Ideally, they should David Boyle Nov 22 #46

Palestinian supporters Mountainguy Nov 22 #62

This, I agree with David Boyle Nov 22 #63

Post removed Post removed Nov 22 #75

She might have David Boyle Nov 22 #79

Kinda unfair to always be pointing at Palestinian supporters when Trump increased his Jewish & pro-Israel vote vanessa_ca Nov 22 #102

Thanks for long quotes/observations! David Boyle Nov 22 #107

Except Jews aren't now begging Biden to do this and that Mountainguy Nov 22 #111

Jewish votes might not all be asking things of Biden, David Boyle Nov 23 #117

Which makes it a very different situation Mountainguy Nov 23 #123

I know that that's a natural thing to say, but David Boyle Nov 23 #124

We should not recognize Palestine. totodeinhere Nov 22 #64

Once recognized, it may improve David Boyle Nov 22 #65

I doubt it. totodeinhere Nov 22 #68

True David Boyle Nov 22 #69

Fuck that article. NO! I'd rather join the bombing campaign. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #73

Risking the Dark Side, young Skywalker, you are... David Boyle Nov 22 #78

Yipeee! TheKentuckian Nov 22 #90

Oh no David Boyle Nov 22 #91

What bombing campaign? Surely you are not saying the Israeli terrorist group Irgun's bombing of the King David Hotel was Celerity Nov 29 #157

Thanks for the history lesson David Boyle Nov 30 #159

Post removed Post removed Nov 22 #70

Bad grammar David Boyle Nov 22 #76

I like it just swell.. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #86

"Have a great weekend!" David Boyle Nov 22 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 22 #74

Good intentions, but... David Boyle Nov 22 #77

Unless Palestinians recognize an Israeli state it's out of the question Ponietz Nov 22 #82

Reciprocity would be nice David Boyle Nov 22 #84

Wouldn't that require Senate approval? Retrograde Nov 22 #83

Good queries David Boyle Nov 22 #85

nope Nimble_Idea Nov 22 #87

Succinct! ! David Boyle Nov 22 #89

It wouldn't work iemanja Nov 22 #112

Other nations' recognition might be hard to reverse David Boyle Nov 23 #116

Biden should but won't. Ping Tung Nov 23 #127

I wouldn't be surprised David Boyle Nov 23 #128

Next time he comes over. Iggo Nov 29 #131

Heh David Boyle Nov 29 #132

138 out 193 UN Member States Recognize the State of Palestine. Canada's Parliament was close this year. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #133

Thanks David Boyle Nov 29 #134

Also, Norway, Spain, Ireland have recognized Palestine David Boyle Nov 29 #135

Yes, that sounds correct about Norway, Spain, and Ireland. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #136

Thanks for the multilingual presentation David Boyle Nov 29 #137

Dou itashimashite! C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #138

"Translation?" David Boyle Nov 29 #139

"Dou itashimashite" means "You're welcome" in Japanese. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #140

I've heard of that link! David Boyle Nov 29 #141

You've heard of https://translate.google.com? C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #142

I -- I may've even used it! David Boyle Nov 29 #143

Well then, C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #145

The hair I like David Boyle Nov 29 #147

"State" of Palestine? Or "States"? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 29 #144

Interesting David Boyle Nov 29 #146

Let's find solutions to free the hostages and bring peace to the Middle East. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #148

Bridge to the future David Boyle Nov 29 #149

The cost of one peaceful bridge is much less than years of lethal military aid. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #150

Cost-effective David Boyle Nov 29 #151

If there existed "this one weird trick" action X to get the hostages back and Biden RockRaven Nov 29 #152

We don't know David Boyle Nov 29 #153

Wasted time is still a hurt, even if it be a small one per person. And my question remains RockRaven Nov 29 #154

Not a bad question David Boyle Nov 29 #155

Still unanswered: from where comes the premise that a Biden recognition of RockRaven Nov 29 #156

It might or might not David Boyle Nov 30 #158

True but it's Hamas who has whatever hostages are still alive soandso Nov 30 #163

Thanks David Boyle Nov 30 #164

If the US recognizes the State of Palestine, the Palestinian leadership would take steps to release C0RI0LANUS Nov 30 #160

Informative as usual David Boyle Nov 30 #161

Lol ZRB Nov 30 #162

Uh ohh David Boyle Nov 30 #165