General Discussion

dutch777

(3,504 posts)

27. Late in the game, doubt it would have much affect and Don would probably undo it but open to the thought

Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:20 AM

Nov 22

While I support allowing Israel to protect itself, I also support Palestinians not being killed and starved wholesale. I also support a Palestinian state and think that is all that will end Palestinian terrorism but believe when we say we recognize that, Palestinians will embrace it as their "river to the sea" concept which will never fly with Israel nor bring peace. Until the many parties get out of their parochial views, look at the lands in the Middle East holistically and consider 1) redrawing borders that were arbitrarily created by Britain or other colonizers and 2) be willing to support (US and EU $$) massive terraforming to create livable lands from what is now desert and 3) assure fresh water to sustain all countries the episodic violence will only repeat and repeat. And until we withdraw significant support for Israel they will not budge. They may even not budge then.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

2 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

David Boyle vanessa_ca

167 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Ask Biden to recognize officially the State of Palestine and get back our hostages [View all] David Boyle Nov 20 OP

Again, this post isn't asking for an arms embargo, or even a ceasefire David Boyle Nov 20 #1

Hamas says they don't know where all the hostages are. They kill one every so often. They know. keithbvadu2 Nov 20 #2

They're not nice people David Boyle Nov 20 #3

Shalom, salaam, see you later in a better place for us all David Boyle Nov 20 #4

Who would lead this so-called state? tritsofme Nov 20 #5

New blood happens David Boyle Nov 20 #6

Doesn't that need to be resolved before there is a "state"? Or is this recognition more just akin to a participation tritsofme Nov 20 #7

Interesting observations David Boyle Nov 20 #9

I'm sorry, Mossfern Nov 21 #13

Quora article David Boyle Nov 21 #14

Of course Palestinians who are citizens of Israel Mossfern Nov 21 #18

Some truth to this David Boyle Nov 21 #23

In 2005, when Israel dismantled all settlements in Gaza And unilaterally disengaged from Gaza, Beastly Boy Nov 21 #16

Yes, there is some bad history. David Boyle Nov 21 #22

Hamas actively assasinates political rivals and dissidents in Gaza NickB79 Nov 22 #93

Useful observation David Boyle Nov 22 #95

Too, "so-called state" may be deemed insulting David Boyle Nov 20 #8

Who cares about what the Vatican did or what Hoffman doesn't have a problem with? TheKentuckian Nov 22 #115

Ask Hoffman David Boyle Nov 23 #118

Install a dictatorship for the next decade or two Polybius Nov 22 #43

Ouch David Boyle Nov 22 #49

In some cases, they're necessary when the people can't be trusted to make the correct choices Polybius Nov 22 #50

Whaaaat! David Boyle Nov 22 #57

For us, sure Polybius Nov 22 #114

Though I see what you mean, David Boyle Nov 23 #120

I like it. Eko Nov 20 #10

Thanks so much! David Boyle Nov 20 #11

HuffPost "Exclusive: White House Says Democrats Who Oppose Weapons To Israel Are Aiding Hamas" David Boyle Nov 21 #12

Try for what? I want it fucking GONE. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #71

No, recognizing Palestine in general (including future iterations), is not recognizing a terrorist state David Boyle Nov 22 #81

Of course it is. The government is terrorist now and the "representatives" have ALWAYS been such. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #94

Not fond of theocracy or terrorism; I want Israel to live David Boyle Nov 22 #96

Succinct! JustAnotherGen Nov 22 #98

Haw haw!! David Boyle Nov 22 #100

Thx JustAnotherGen Nov 22 #113

How can one recognize Palestine, without recognizing terrorists? yagotme Nov 23 #122

In the abstract, maybe David Boyle Nov 23 #126

Unfortunately, we have to deal with reality, not abstracts. yagotme Dec 5 #166

Yes, you can separate the two. canuckledragger Nov 27 #129

Good point David Boyle Nov 29 #130

No civilians were lied about in the comment I posted. yagotme Dec 5 #167

May's well mention my Breaking News article, David Boyle Nov 21 #15

Please direct all current requests to the president-elect Blue_Tires Nov 21 #17

I know there's a temptation to say that David Boyle Nov 21 #21

Exactly. Let those uncommitted voters deal with the sociopath. Elections have consequences, and this election JohnSJ Nov 22 #30

Mistakes have been made... David Boyle Nov 22 #35

Too late for that. I suspect they can kiss the two state solution goodbye. JohnSJ Nov 22 #37

You never know David Boyle Nov 22 #48

You never know. Watch em annex Gaza. It's over. It is probably over JohnSJ Nov 22 #52

Keep fighting! David Boyle Nov 22 #54

I am, fighting for that terrorist rabble to be defanged and then TheKentuckian Nov 22 #103

I decry ethnic cleansing of Jews, David Boyle Nov 22 #106

Too late to decry now it is what it is. Time for the "Palestinian" Arabs to disperse. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #108

Some Arabs are Christian... David Boyle Nov 22 #109

That live in oppression and that sliver means nothing to the big picture. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #110

Some Arab Christians may be oppressed, by either side, they might feel David Boyle Nov 23 #119

There has been a Palestine since biblical times iemanja Nov 23 #121

Heh ... ouch David Boyle Nov 23 #125

Jerusalem has been Israel's capital for decades. tritsofme Nov 22 #53

U.S. voters elected Trump. Biden and Harris are out of options. yardwork Nov 22 #38

Same here, and I am tired of people making excuses for these JohnSJ Nov 22 #51

Despair? David Boyle Nov 22 #56

Take it somewhere else. yardwork Nov 22 #58

Noooooooo! David Boyle Nov 22 #59

You have a defense secretary nominee who has written he could see JohnSJ Nov 22 #60

Not trying to be Little Miss Muffet, I'm not, but David Boyle Nov 22 #61

Can't complain about voting for Harris David Boyle Nov 22 #55

The opportunity was lost on November 5. yardwork Nov 21 #19

Limited, true David Boyle Nov 21 #20

One interesting Catholic point of view at America magazine, is David Boyle Nov 21 #24

I like the sentiment but I can't see this flying as it will be seen as "rewarding" Hamas after 10/7 LymphocyteLover Nov 22 #25

Some may see it that way David Boyle Nov 22 #26

Fact that bullshit. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #72

I imagine there are some David Boyle Nov 22 #80

Not enough to endorse the creation of a terrorist state TheKentuckian Nov 22 #92

The number of "good ones" may grow over time, David Boyle Nov 22 #97

Useful observation JustAnotherGen Nov 22 #99

Thx David Boyle Nov 22 #101

Or it may not, Put em on the run or into holes. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #104

Holes? David Boyle Nov 22 #105

Late in the game, doubt it would have much affect and Don would probably undo it but open to the thought dutch777 Nov 22 #27

Very thoughtful reply David Boyle Nov 22 #28

Sad this is where we have to focus our thoughts. We should be colonizing the Moon and Mars by now... dutch777 Nov 22 #31

Recognize the State of Mars! David Boyle Nov 22 #32

Nelson Mandela: 'It always seems impossible until it's done.' C0RI0LANUS Nov 22 #29

Great pic, great sentiment! David Boyle Nov 22 #33

Nope. nt LexVegas Nov 22 #34

That was succinct! David Boyle Nov 22 #36

Yes C0RI0LANUS Nov 22 #39

Heh David Boyle Nov 22 #47

Bibi doesn't give a shit what Biden has to say Takket Nov 22 #40

Recognition might move the needle in ways that people might have to deal with, even if unliked David Boyle Nov 22 #44

The United States should not reward Hamas terrorists for October 7 Jose Garcia Nov 22 #41

Yes, but this isn't a reward for them David Boyle Nov 22 #45

The Vatican also want abortion to be illegal. Just like it is in Gaza Jose Garcia Nov 22 #66

I didn't say the Vatican is perfect David Boyle Nov 22 #67

They have to recognize Israel's right to exist cabotnn22 Nov 22 #42

Ideally, they should David Boyle Nov 22 #46

Palestinian supporters Mountainguy Nov 22 #62

This, I agree with David Boyle Nov 22 #63

Post removed Post removed Nov 22 #75

She might have David Boyle Nov 22 #79

Kinda unfair to always be pointing at Palestinian supporters when Trump increased his Jewish & pro-Israel vote vanessa_ca Nov 22 #102

Thanks for long quotes/observations! David Boyle Nov 22 #107

Except Jews aren't now begging Biden to do this and that Mountainguy Nov 22 #111

Jewish votes might not all be asking things of Biden, David Boyle Nov 23 #117

Which makes it a very different situation Mountainguy Nov 23 #123

I know that that's a natural thing to say, but David Boyle Nov 23 #124

We should not recognize Palestine. totodeinhere Nov 22 #64

Once recognized, it may improve David Boyle Nov 22 #65

I doubt it. totodeinhere Nov 22 #68

True David Boyle Nov 22 #69

Fuck that article. NO! I'd rather join the bombing campaign. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #73

Risking the Dark Side, young Skywalker, you are... David Boyle Nov 22 #78

Yipeee! TheKentuckian Nov 22 #90

Oh no David Boyle Nov 22 #91

What bombing campaign? Surely you are not saying the Israeli terrorist group Irgun's bombing of the King David Hotel was Celerity Nov 29 #157

Thanks for the history lesson David Boyle Nov 30 #159

Post removed Post removed Nov 22 #70

Bad grammar David Boyle Nov 22 #76

I like it just swell.. TheKentuckian Nov 22 #86

"Have a great weekend!" David Boyle Nov 22 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 22 #74

Good intentions, but... David Boyle Nov 22 #77

Unless Palestinians recognize an Israeli state it's out of the question Ponietz Nov 22 #82

Reciprocity would be nice David Boyle Nov 22 #84

Wouldn't that require Senate approval? Retrograde Nov 22 #83

Good queries David Boyle Nov 22 #85

nope Nimble_Idea Nov 22 #87

Succinct! ! David Boyle Nov 22 #89

It wouldn't work iemanja Nov 22 #112

Other nations' recognition might be hard to reverse David Boyle Nov 23 #116

Biden should but won't. Ping Tung Nov 23 #127

I wouldn't be surprised David Boyle Nov 23 #128

Next time he comes over. Iggo Nov 29 #131

Heh David Boyle Nov 29 #132

138 out 193 UN Member States Recognize the State of Palestine. Canada's Parliament was close this year. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #133

Thanks David Boyle Nov 29 #134

Also, Norway, Spain, Ireland have recognized Palestine David Boyle Nov 29 #135

Yes, that sounds correct about Norway, Spain, and Ireland. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #136

Thanks for the multilingual presentation David Boyle Nov 29 #137

Dou itashimashite! C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #138

"Translation?" David Boyle Nov 29 #139

"Dou itashimashite" means "You're welcome" in Japanese. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #140

I've heard of that link! David Boyle Nov 29 #141

You've heard of https://translate.google.com? C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #142

I -- I may've even used it! David Boyle Nov 29 #143

Well then, C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #145

The hair I like David Boyle Nov 29 #147

"State" of Palestine? Or "States"? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 29 #144

Interesting David Boyle Nov 29 #146

Let's find solutions to free the hostages and bring peace to the Middle East. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #148

Bridge to the future David Boyle Nov 29 #149

The cost of one peaceful bridge is much less than years of lethal military aid. C0RI0LANUS Nov 29 #150

Cost-effective David Boyle Nov 29 #151

If there existed "this one weird trick" action X to get the hostages back and Biden RockRaven Nov 29 #152

We don't know David Boyle Nov 29 #153

Wasted time is still a hurt, even if it be a small one per person. And my question remains RockRaven Nov 29 #154

Not a bad question David Boyle Nov 29 #155

Still unanswered: from where comes the premise that a Biden recognition of RockRaven Nov 29 #156

It might or might not David Boyle Nov 30 #158

True but it's Hamas who has whatever hostages are still alive soandso Nov 30 #163

Thanks David Boyle Nov 30 #164

If the US recognizes the State of Palestine, the Palestinian leadership would take steps to release C0RI0LANUS Nov 30 #160

Informative as usual David Boyle Nov 30 #161

Lol ZRB Nov 30 #162

Uh ohh David Boyle Nov 30 #165