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Ping Tung

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127. Biden should but won't.

Sat Nov 23, 2024, 02:03 PM

Nov 2024

At least with Biden he made some efforts to help the humanitarian aid and try for a cease fire.

Trump will simply make a show of bellicosity to brag about.

The question of a forming a Palestinian state should be decided by vote of the General Assembly of the UN.

Alas. that won't happen because the big shots on all sides will allow the killing to go on to prove.....something.

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Ask Biden to recognize officially the State of Palestine and get back our hostages [View all] David Boyle Nov 2024 OP

Again, this post isn't asking for an arms embargo, or even a ceasefire David Boyle Nov 2024 #1

Hamas says they don't know where all the hostages are. They kill one every so often. They know. keithbvadu2 Nov 2024 #2

They're not nice people David Boyle Nov 2024 #3

Shalom, salaam, see you later in a better place for us all David Boyle Nov 2024 #4

Who would lead this so-called state? tritsofme Nov 2024 #5

New blood happens David Boyle Nov 2024 #6

Doesn't that need to be resolved before there is a "state"? Or is this recognition more just akin to a participation tritsofme Nov 2024 #7

Interesting observations David Boyle Nov 2024 #9

I'm sorry, Mossfern Nov 2024 #13

Quora article David Boyle Nov 2024 #14

Of course Palestinians who are citizens of Israel Mossfern Nov 2024 #18

Some truth to this David Boyle Nov 2024 #23

In 2005, when Israel dismantled all settlements in Gaza And unilaterally disengaged from Gaza, Beastly Boy Nov 2024 #16

Yes, there is some bad history. David Boyle Nov 2024 #22

Hamas actively assasinates political rivals and dissidents in Gaza NickB79 Nov 2024 #93

Useful observation David Boyle Nov 2024 #95

Too, "so-called state" may be deemed insulting David Boyle Nov 2024 #8

Who cares about what the Vatican did or what Hoffman doesn't have a problem with? TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #115

Ask Hoffman David Boyle Nov 2024 #118

Install a dictatorship for the next decade or two Polybius Nov 2024 #43

Ouch David Boyle Nov 2024 #49

In some cases, they're necessary when the people can't be trusted to make the correct choices Polybius Nov 2024 #50

Whaaaat! David Boyle Nov 2024 #57

For us, sure Polybius Nov 2024 #114

Though I see what you mean, David Boyle Nov 2024 #120

I like it. Eko Nov 2024 #10

Thanks so much! David Boyle Nov 2024 #11

HuffPost "Exclusive: White House Says Democrats Who Oppose Weapons To Israel Are Aiding Hamas" David Boyle Nov 2024 #12

Try for what? I want it fucking GONE. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #71

No, recognizing Palestine in general (including future iterations), is not recognizing a terrorist state David Boyle Nov 2024 #81

Of course it is. The government is terrorist now and the "representatives" have ALWAYS been such. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #94

Not fond of theocracy or terrorism; I want Israel to live David Boyle Nov 2024 #96

Succinct! JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #98

Haw haw!! David Boyle Nov 2024 #100

Thx JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #113

How can one recognize Palestine, without recognizing terrorists? yagotme Nov 2024 #122

In the abstract, maybe David Boyle Nov 2024 #126

Unfortunately, we have to deal with reality, not abstracts. yagotme Dec 5 #166

Yes, you can separate the two. canuckledragger Nov 2024 #129

Good point David Boyle Nov 2024 #130

No civilians were lied about in the comment I posted. yagotme Dec 5 #167

May's well mention my Breaking News article, David Boyle Nov 2024 #15

Please direct all current requests to the president-elect Blue_Tires Nov 2024 #17

I know there's a temptation to say that David Boyle Nov 2024 #21

Exactly. Let those uncommitted voters deal with the sociopath. Elections have consequences, and this election JohnSJ Nov 2024 #30

Mistakes have been made... David Boyle Nov 2024 #35

Too late for that. I suspect they can kiss the two state solution goodbye. JohnSJ Nov 2024 #37

You never know David Boyle Nov 2024 #48

You never know. Watch em annex Gaza. It's over. It is probably over JohnSJ Nov 2024 #52

Keep fighting! David Boyle Nov 2024 #54

I am, fighting for that terrorist rabble to be defanged and then TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #103

I decry ethnic cleansing of Jews, David Boyle Nov 2024 #106

Too late to decry now it is what it is. Time for the "Palestinian" Arabs to disperse. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #108

Some Arabs are Christian... David Boyle Nov 2024 #109

That live in oppression and that sliver means nothing to the big picture. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #110

Some Arab Christians may be oppressed, by either side, they might feel David Boyle Nov 2024 #119

There has been a Palestine since biblical times iemanja Nov 2024 #121

Heh ... ouch David Boyle Nov 2024 #125

Jerusalem has been Israel's capital for decades. tritsofme Nov 2024 #53

U.S. voters elected Trump. Biden and Harris are out of options. yardwork Nov 2024 #38

Same here, and I am tired of people making excuses for these JohnSJ Nov 2024 #51

Despair? David Boyle Nov 2024 #56

Take it somewhere else. yardwork Nov 2024 #58

Noooooooo! David Boyle Nov 2024 #59

You have a defense secretary nominee who has written he could see JohnSJ Nov 2024 #60

Not trying to be Little Miss Muffet, I'm not, but David Boyle Nov 2024 #61

Can't complain about voting for Harris David Boyle Nov 2024 #55

The opportunity was lost on November 5. yardwork Nov 2024 #19

Limited, true David Boyle Nov 2024 #20

One interesting Catholic point of view at America magazine, is David Boyle Nov 2024 #24

I like the sentiment but I can't see this flying as it will be seen as "rewarding" Hamas after 10/7 LymphocyteLover Nov 2024 #25

Some may see it that way David Boyle Nov 2024 #26

Fact that bullshit. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #72

I imagine there are some David Boyle Nov 2024 #80

Not enough to endorse the creation of a terrorist state TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #92

The number of "good ones" may grow over time, David Boyle Nov 2024 #97

Useful observation JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #99

Thx David Boyle Nov 2024 #101

Or it may not, Put em on the run or into holes. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #104

Holes? David Boyle Nov 2024 #105

Late in the game, doubt it would have much affect and Don would probably undo it but open to the thought dutch777 Nov 2024 #27

Very thoughtful reply David Boyle Nov 2024 #28

Sad this is where we have to focus our thoughts. We should be colonizing the Moon and Mars by now... dutch777 Nov 2024 #31

Recognize the State of Mars! David Boyle Nov 2024 #32

Nelson Mandela: 'It always seems impossible until it's done.' C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #29

Great pic, great sentiment! David Boyle Nov 2024 #33

Nope. nt LexVegas Nov 2024 #34

That was succinct! David Boyle Nov 2024 #36

Yes C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #39

Heh David Boyle Nov 2024 #47

Bibi doesn't give a shit what Biden has to say Takket Nov 2024 #40

Recognition might move the needle in ways that people might have to deal with, even if unliked David Boyle Nov 2024 #44

The United States should not reward Hamas terrorists for October 7 Jose Garcia Nov 2024 #41

Yes, but this isn't a reward for them David Boyle Nov 2024 #45

The Vatican also want abortion to be illegal. Just like it is in Gaza Jose Garcia Nov 2024 #66

I didn't say the Vatican is perfect David Boyle Nov 2024 #67

They have to recognize Israel's right to exist cabotnn22 Nov 2024 #42

Ideally, they should David Boyle Nov 2024 #46

Palestinian supporters Mountainguy Nov 2024 #62

This, I agree with David Boyle Nov 2024 #63

Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #75

She might have David Boyle Nov 2024 #79

Kinda unfair to always be pointing at Palestinian supporters when Trump increased his Jewish & pro-Israel vote vanessa_ca Nov 2024 #102

Thanks for long quotes/observations! David Boyle Nov 2024 #107

Except Jews aren't now begging Biden to do this and that Mountainguy Nov 2024 #111

Jewish votes might not all be asking things of Biden, David Boyle Nov 2024 #117

Which makes it a very different situation Mountainguy Nov 2024 #123

I know that that's a natural thing to say, but David Boyle Nov 2024 #124

We should not recognize Palestine. totodeinhere Nov 2024 #64

Once recognized, it may improve David Boyle Nov 2024 #65

I doubt it. totodeinhere Nov 2024 #68

True David Boyle Nov 2024 #69

Fuck that article. NO! I'd rather join the bombing campaign. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #73

Risking the Dark Side, young Skywalker, you are... David Boyle Nov 2024 #78

Yipeee! TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #90

Oh no David Boyle Nov 2024 #91

What bombing campaign? Surely you are not saying the Israeli terrorist group Irgun's bombing of the King David Hotel was Celerity Nov 2024 #157

Thanks for the history lesson David Boyle Nov 2024 #159

Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #70

Bad grammar David Boyle Nov 2024 #76

I like it just swell.. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #86

"Have a great weekend!" David Boyle Nov 2024 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #74

Good intentions, but... David Boyle Nov 2024 #77

Unless Palestinians recognize an Israeli state it's out of the question Ponietz Nov 2024 #82

Reciprocity would be nice David Boyle Nov 2024 #84

Wouldn't that require Senate approval? Retrograde Nov 2024 #83

Good queries David Boyle Nov 2024 #85

nope Nimble_Idea Nov 2024 #87

Succinct! ! David Boyle Nov 2024 #89

It wouldn't work iemanja Nov 2024 #112

Other nations' recognition might be hard to reverse David Boyle Nov 2024 #116

Biden should but won't. Ping Tung Nov 2024 #127

I wouldn't be surprised David Boyle Nov 2024 #128

Next time he comes over. Iggo Nov 2024 #131

Heh David Boyle Nov 2024 #132

138 out 193 UN Member States Recognize the State of Palestine. Canada's Parliament was close this year. C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #133

Thanks David Boyle Nov 2024 #134

Also, Norway, Spain, Ireland have recognized Palestine David Boyle Nov 2024 #135

Yes, that sounds correct about Norway, Spain, and Ireland. C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #136

Thanks for the multilingual presentation David Boyle Nov 2024 #137

Dou itashimashite! C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #138

"Translation?" David Boyle Nov 2024 #139

"Dou itashimashite" means "You're welcome" in Japanese. C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #140

I've heard of that link! David Boyle Nov 2024 #141

You've heard of https://translate.google.com? C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #142

I -- I may've even used it! David Boyle Nov 2024 #143

Well then, C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #145

The hair I like David Boyle Nov 2024 #147

"State" of Palestine? Or "States"? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2024 #144

Interesting David Boyle Nov 2024 #146

Let's find solutions to free the hostages and bring peace to the Middle East. C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #148

Bridge to the future David Boyle Nov 2024 #149

The cost of one peaceful bridge is much less than years of lethal military aid. C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #150

Cost-effective David Boyle Nov 2024 #151

If there existed "this one weird trick" action X to get the hostages back and Biden RockRaven Nov 2024 #152

We don't know David Boyle Nov 2024 #153

Wasted time is still a hurt, even if it be a small one per person. And my question remains RockRaven Nov 2024 #154

Not a bad question David Boyle Nov 2024 #155

Still unanswered: from where comes the premise that a Biden recognition of RockRaven Nov 2024 #156

It might or might not David Boyle Nov 2024 #158

True but it's Hamas who has whatever hostages are still alive soandso Nov 2024 #163

Thanks David Boyle Nov 2024 #164

If the US recognizes the State of Palestine, the Palestinian leadership would take steps to release C0RI0LANUS Nov 2024 #160

Informative as usual David Boyle Nov 2024 #161

Lol ZRB Nov 2024 #162

Uh ohh David Boyle Nov 2024 #165