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Celerity

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25. Roll with that as the only reason we lost and we will keep on losing.

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:38 AM

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Proof?

Biden would have lost by greater numbers than Harris did. His favourabilty and polling numbers were cataclysmic.

Of course racism and sexism played some role, but not the largest roles. Trump was drawing more from minorities, men in general, and younger voters before Harris was the nominee.

I say this all as a mixed race black female, btw, so I am damn well aware of what Harris faced on the the misogynoir front.

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Exit polls reveal why Trump made huge gains with blue-collar union members [View all] SunSeeker Wednesday OP

Revisit these voters in the coming years and let me know if they realize what they've done to themselves. NoMoreRepugs Wednesday #1

And that 50% are the Trump voters... Septua Wednesday #5

As long as there's a scapegoat or boogeyman to explain away the obvious Probatim Wednesday #37

They are exactly in that shape Blue Full Moon Wednesday #41

Good luck getting a law passed that only allows the "educated" people to vote DSandra Wednesday #60

Forty years ago, or maybe even 20, it was allegedly "the Democrats" who were the "low-information voters", Jack Valentino Wednesday #80

Agreed yardwork 15 hrs ago #91

..the No. 1 issue on the mind of working-class people...was inflation and the cost of living... Septua Wednesday #2

That and the fact that markodochartaigh Wednesday #26

THIS is the elephant (symbol) in the room. The media throws shade on the democrats EVERY TIME. BComplex Wednesday #68

It was the sexism. Don't ever believe otherwise. valleyrogue Wednesday #29

So 3 options going forward: kelly1mm Wednesday #45

Or find a way to appeal to them without acquiescing to their grievances EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #63

Price freezes Blue Full Moon Wednesday #42

The price gouging laws address significant price increases in areas with hurricanes or extended power outages etc. MichMan Wednesday #55

Pandemic would fit right in then. Blue Full Moon Wednesday #70

Not sure how many were ever prosecuted on a state or local level MichMan Wednesday #71

It is about messaging: when and HOW messages are delivered Bluetus Wednesday #43

I need DUers to please STOP this endless bullshit about "messaging" Blue_Tires Wednesday #75

This election proves beyond any doubt that Bluetus Wednesday #79

So loud, angry buffoonery that's confident will always win out against quiet, drama-free competence? Blue_Tires Wednesday #81

I didn't vote for the guy Bluetus 16 hrs ago #86

We must be talking about two different elections... Blue_Tires 15 hrs ago #88

Trump was very specific. Bluetus 15 hrs ago #89

The Project 2025 that Donnie spent the entire campaign distancing himself from? Blue_Tires 15 hrs ago #90

Yes, exactly. That's the point. Bluetus 13 hrs ago #95

So in other words just tell people what they want to hear Blue_Tires 8 hrs ago #97

Oh, and welcome to DU... Blue_Tires Wednesday #82

Why didn't Biden trumpet his achievements in terms of building factories in red areas? DSandra Wednesday #61

Umm, if you have access to many experts and some of the best and brightest minds... DSandra Wednesday #62

Apparently, they don't plan on retiring C_U_L8R Wednesday #3

Union workers voting Republican Thrill Wednesday #4

Shooting themselves in the foot to entertain their employer. Emile Wednesday #10

I worked in union shops for over 40 years. I would say about 1/3 of the members doc03 Wednesday #15

Your description of union workers voting Republican was exactly what I saw. walkingman Wednesday #83

As a retired union worker, I agree with your statement 100%. Prof. Toru Tanaka Wednesday #52

It's all rationalizations for racism and sexism JT45242 Wednesday #6

Roll with that as the only reason we lost and we will keep on losing. Celerity Wednesday #25

Yes can someone find the racial MotownPgh Wednesday #30

62.6% of union members are white. SunSeeker 7 hrs ago #101

Thanks for this! MotownPgh 7 hrs ago #103

Sounds like a cop out DSandra Wednesday #64

Democrats should have been calling the inflation the Trump inflation from doc03 Wednesday #7

And BeerBarrelPolka Wednesday #9

I will never understand why they think Trump will help the economy. Iris Wednesday #8

Because the media has built Trump to be a great real estate doc03 Wednesday #13

Why does it have to be Ds fault Cosmocat Wednesday #11

Because stupid people need to blame someone for their self-created problems. canuckledragger Wednesday #14

Because Republican con artists exploit any weakness that Dems have DSandra Wednesday #59

Finally, someone said it! Sorceress Wednesday #65

Kind of hard to get a new electorate though. And 'the voters are stupid' is probably not a winning slogan. nt kelly1mm 7 hrs ago #102

Kamala was a black woman so her speaking on the issues JI7 Wednesday #12

There's not one reason but that was part of it. Passages Wednesday #16

I guess the way they saw it, one candidate promised to miraculously bring down prices, the other one didn't. SunSeeker Wednesday #21

I would not mistake too much of the culprit to those who watch Fox. Passages Wednesday #51

And Biden did a lot on minimum wage bucolic_frolic Wednesday #17

No. They cared only that a white, racist, valleyrogue Wednesday #27

What did President Biden do on the minimum wage? Still the same $7.25 per hour federal kelly1mm Wednesday #49

Did he? George W Bush was the last President to sign a minimum wage increase Jose Garcia 15 hrs ago #92

Trump didn't make any appeal to those voters except his racism bigtree Wednesday #18

Excellent post! nt LittleGirl Wednesday #19

You know, I bet during their "discussions" Aviation Pro Wednesday #20

I was thinking the same thoughts. Prof. Toru Tanaka Wednesday #56

Short. They loved the lies. usonian Wednesday #22

We need a media DownriverDem Wednesday #23

Baloney. valleyrogue Wednesday #24

Yep Deminpenn Wednesday #35

It was rigged. Meadowoak Wednesday #28

They did the same thing against Carter when running against reagan, and one would have thought they learned there lesson JohnSJ Wednesday #31

Real Wage Index came from below hell to slightly above it and they blamed Biden uponit7771 Wednesday #32

Enjoy the next 4 years, traitorous trump-voting union members. Paladin Wednesday #33

Look, we democrats need Abstractartist Wednesday #34

The economy IS setting records. Inflation, also, is NEVER ZERO. CousinIT Wednesday #36

Agreed. SunSeeker 8 hrs ago #98

So much more utter BS. It was white supremacy. ananda Wednesday #38

There might be a time get the red out Wednesday #39

Only a small fraction of the blue collar class is unionized MichMan Wednesday #40

With respect to inflation, they haven't seen anything yet. NNadir Wednesday #44

Her race+her sex+his lies equals Mad King Donald's victory Dem4life1970 Wednesday #46

And a lot of Musk and Putin energy and money displacedvermoter Wednesday #53

As always, their vote was in diametric opposition to their interests. dchill Wednesday #47

Why didn't this powerful union member mention that Biden and Harris travelingthrulife Wednesday #48

Eggs cost too much Americanme Wednesday #50

Our society forces many Americans to work, work, work... DSandra Wednesday #58

The truth is Beck23 Wednesday #54

People tend to be blind to the lives of people outside their economic class, many don't realize how hard others have it DSandra Wednesday #57

I don't know who Empower or PRNewswire is, but the The Fed has been keeping track of this information: W_HAMILTON Wednesday #69

So you think the economic suffering is "all in our heads?" DSandra Wednesday #72

Not in all of our heads, no. But in many of THEIR heads, yes. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #73

That data is really interesting Johnny2X2X 17 hrs ago #85

The truth is that propaganda is extremely powerful Johnny2X2X Wednesday #66

Couldn't agree more n/t dpibel Wednesday #77

I hope a lesson learned is that ThePartyThatListens Wednesday #67

The word Ted Pappageorge is looking for is "RACISM" Blue_Tires Wednesday #74

I agree with both of your posts. underpants 19 hrs ago #84

If inflation/cost of living was the key issue, why did vote for the candidate most likely to cause more inflation? LonePirate Wednesday #76

OKAY, EXPLAIN IT TO ME LIKE I'M FIVE.... Blue_Tires Wednesday #78

Gmafb. At the end of the day, they were stupid. ecstatic 16 hrs ago #87

They are going to just love and embrace what is coming. republianmushroom 14 hrs ago #93

The alpha male dude bro sphere was a huge influence. Initech 13 hrs ago #94

When it comes to grocery prices, Trump suddenly changes his tune LetMyPeopleVote 12 hrs ago #96

This has been my personal talking point for the last year... WarGamer 8 hrs ago #99

Wow, if you really believe that, GOP propaganda has been even more effective than I thought. SunSeeker 8 hrs ago #100