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Self Esteem

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74. It is possible 2024 turns out to be an anomaly election.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:27 PM
Dec 2024

But my concern is that, especially among men, the trend has been there.

In 2012, Obama won Black men 87-11 and Hispanic men 65-33. That's a margin of +76 and +32 respectively.

In 2016, Clinton won Black men 82-13 and Hispanic men 63-32. That's a margin of +69 and +31 respectively.

So, Clinton did seven-points worse than Obama among Black men and one-point worse among Hispanic men.

In 2020, Biden won Black men 79-19 and Hispanic men 59-36. That's a margin of +60 and +23 respectively.

Biden did nine-points worse than Hillary among Black men (and 16 points worse compared to Obama) and eight-points worse among Hispanic men (and nine worse than Obama).

In 2024, Harris won Black men 77-21 and lost Hispanic men 54-44. That's a margin of +56 and -10 respectively.

Harris did four-points worse among Black men than Biden and 33 points worse among Hispanic men (and 41 points worse than Hillary).

There is an obvious trend that goes beyond just 2024.

The Democrats' margin among Black men has decreased each election cycle:

2012: +76
2016: +69
2020: +60
2024: +56

That's a twenty-point drop since Obama's reelection.

Among Hispanics, it's way worse because not only were the margins smaller to start but because Hispanics continue to be one of the fastest growing demographics in the US and Democrats completely collapsed among Hispanic men.

Their decrease:

2012: +32
2016: +31
2020: +23
2024: -10

Harris did 42 points worse among Hispanic men than Obama.

Maybe some of it is just the nature of the race and the complexities of 2024.

But the trend isn't a one-election cycle issue. It's consistent. Democrats have been losing support among their largest demographics at a far higher level than Republicans.

Harris did one-point better among white men than Biden did in 2020. She did nine-points better than Biden among white women.

But she also did worse among Black women and Hispanic women - on top of significantly worse among Black men and Hispanic men.

That's not sustainable for the party and we need to figure it out. That's the irony about this race: Harris improved Democrats' numbers among a constituency they were bleeding support out since the 1960s! But she did worse than Mondale among Black and Hispanic voters.

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What about white women Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #1
Religion get the red out Dec 2024 #2
People in Florida are not very religious but they have no problem with a little demagogue named desantis Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #19
Speaking of which, how come it's always about white kids angst? Never about black children and their distress. cbabe Dec 2024 #28
Because it resonates with racist Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #55
True. My thought was mostly rhetorical. But I'd sure like to hear it mentioned every time someone mentions cbabe Dec 2024 #58
America is based on myths and lies Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #63
Should we keep quiet? Or speak out always? That's how we rewrite the story. cbabe Dec 2024 #65
When you try myth busting Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #68
Most residents of Florida are Christians Mariana Dec 2024 #96
Cite numbers please Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #98
Over 3,500 gods worshiped by humans since the beginning of time... NotHardly Dec 2024 #35
Good point. Maybe they also wanted a tough guy for president and didn't realize they were voting for a buffoon. LaMouffette Dec 2024 #5
He played a businessman on TV Beck23 Dec 2024 #23
Keepthesoulalive ........... Upthevibe Dec 2024 #40
Exit polls are not the actual results happy feet Dec 2024 #47
Wait for the Pew validated voter studies to be finished. spooky3 Dec 2024 #95
How the he** do you know that. No one knows that. EOM. lostnfound Dec 2024 #99
Just checked AP Reuters and Npr Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #49
Not this one BlueKentuckyGirl Dec 2024 #41
Don't worry about it Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #42
Yes, but the same rationale applies to all Felon voters Bread and Circuses Dec 2024 #77
We've had moral majority, freedom fries Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #79
Male voters rso Dec 2024 #3
I know. I don't get it. But he was their guy, fake tan, lifts in his shoes, obese, "bad-built body," and all. LaMouffette Dec 2024 #6
Yeah. Another excuse for what is actually bigotry. No one could travelingthrulife Dec 2024 #8
45 is JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #82
I don't know BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #4
You are absolutely right about the bubble. Even though I live in a red state, I was in my own bubble to such an extent LaMouffette Dec 2024 #9
Yes BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #14
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Welcome BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #20
It's DemocratIC. Always has been Arazi Dec 2024 #21
as I said Elmotime Dec 2024 #22
Alas Arazi Dec 2024 #24
agreed. berksdem Dec 2024 #25
I think it's pretty clear Elmotime Dec 2024 #27
Stick around BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #32
I totally get it... berksdem Dec 2024 #33
I'm not going to apologize for requesting that you use Democratic framing Arazi Dec 2024 #36
I'm afraid I have to jump in here for a minute. Aristus Dec 2024 #46
Well said happy feet Dec 2024 #50
Thank you. Aristus Dec 2024 #53
The Elmotime JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #81
Such a warm welcome Elmotime Dec 2024 #100
It's a message board JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #105
I also mostly read for the same reason. . . . h2ebits Dec 2024 #44
Heather Cox Richardson DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #61
I would love to read your observations. Demobrat Dec 2024 #51
Just understand JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #84
Trump is not tough. He is out of shape, a pervert, racist failure JI7 Dec 2024 #7
I'm with you on the racist part, for sure, but I think Rump created an image of success and toughness that LaMouffette Dec 2024 #11
Plus, he wears badly-fitting clothes that look like he slept in them. Aristus Dec 2024 #48
No. Once again, the main driver was white supremacy. ananda Dec 2024 #10
I agree that racism and misogyny were also major factors. No doubt. But also the tough-guy factor, and Rump's strangely LaMouffette Dec 2024 #12
Racists and Misogynists are at heart Bullies. haele Dec 2024 #70
Racism and misogyny 🎯 Arazi Dec 2024 #31
This! happy feet Dec 2024 #101
He is not a tough guy, he is just a bully. nt DURHAM D Dec 2024 #13
And they love him for it Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #52
They voted for him because they are nazis. Basso8vb Dec 2024 #15
Trump is the Pillsbury Dough Boy w/orange food coloring, RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 2024 #16
"Racism is dead." John Roberts said. czarjak Dec 2024 #17
2028. I hope Mark Cuban runs. Captain Zero Dec 2024 #26
Evangelical and Born Again Christians... pandr32 Dec 2024 #29
That's true and also because our party, in its values and its governing Walleye Dec 2024 #30
Harris didn't lose because she lost white men. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #34
Never has false propaganda Mblaze Dec 2024 #45
Maybe so but then we've got to figure out how to counter the messaging... Self Esteem Dec 2024 #72
We know that a significant number of Muslims voted for Trump... keep_left Dec 2024 #56
It is possible 2024 turns out to be an anomaly election. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #74
I'm curious, where are you getting the numbers in those polls? keep_left Dec 2024 #75
They're linked in my posts. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #88
Duh...should have just subtracted to get the margins. keep_left Dec 2024 #91
Because of psychological warfare by Russia Farmer-Rick Dec 2024 #57
Your points are reasonable and I agree with your conclusions, as far as they go FakeNoose Dec 2024 #60
I can not imagine why ANY DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #66
Yes, she did. That one group, especially white men without spooky3 Dec 2024 #93
Harris did better than Biden among white men and women. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #107
The next Democratic candidate for president SidneyR Dec 2024 #37
And wryter2000 Dec 2024 #39
There may never again be "voting" DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #67
how exactly are they going to take over voting in blue states? thebigidea Dec 2024 #69
Well, DENVERPOPS Dec 2024 #80
I believe there will be open voter intimidation again Arazi Dec 2024 #86
My solution wryter2000 Dec 2024 #38
I have always thought that Mblaze Dec 2024 #43
If you want their vote treat them like 4 yr olds yaesu Dec 2024 #54
Joe in 2020 Jimbo S Dec 2024 #59
yeah well we are paying for that now Skittles Dec 2024 #97
The sooner we stop trying to BlueSky3 Dec 2024 #62
Agree GenThePerservering Dec 2024 #94
Yes Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #64
Trump did not promise to improve the lives of his voters. He promised to punish the people his voters wanted to hurt. LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2024 #71
Trump isn't a tough guy, he's a bully. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2024 #73
Nope. It's still because they're stupid. flvegan Dec 2024 #76
Where I'm at today JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #78
This argument might have held a little merit in 2016 Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #83
Thank you JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #85
Their mentality is unfathomable n/t ailsagirl Dec 2024 #87
Maybe. egduj Dec 2024 #89
They think The Wizard Dec 2024 #90
I wish people wouldn't refer to Trump as a 'strongman' GenThePerservering Dec 2024 #92
Stupidity and selfishness Woodwizard Dec 2024 #102
We aren't Europe. We don't have a "working class." We have white-collar, blue collar workers. valleyrogue Dec 2024 #103
You nailed it! Blue_Roses Dec 2024 #104
Guess they will Rebl2 Dec 2024 #106
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