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Silent Type

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13. One more time. Those are INITIAL denials -- similar to examples above -- that are overturned in over 80% of cases
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 08:55 PM
10 hrs ago

because the provider sends in the requisite info. And it happens with government programs like Medicare and Medicaid too.

Oh, before you ask what happens to the other 20%, I'll answer.

In many cases the provider reads the coverage policies -- which, again, are usually just like Medicare's coverage policy -- and says, "Oh they are right, we'll try that other stuff and if patient is still having an issue order an MRI." Or they go, "Oh, chit, we put the wrong codes on the form, not wonder they denied our Preauthorization.

There is some portion of claims and preauthorizations that are never approved. Maybe by error, maybe intentionally, maybe the provider is a quack trying to do Chelation therapy or something, etc. In the latter case, they'll never respond and go look for another insurer who they can sneak the claim through.

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Thanks. This post (and this point of view) is long overdue here. stopdiggin 10 hrs ago #1
Why do they have to deny it just to ask for more information? Iggo 10 hrs ago #2
Exactly, lol Meowmee 10 hrs ago #3
It's not denied in the sense they will never pay. It's denied because they ain't gonna cut a check until they get Silent Type 10 hrs ago #5
There are also denials regarding valid claims and treatment approvals with delay tactics Meowmee 9 hrs ago #16
But they leave the customer responsible Diraven 7 hrs ago #58
In my opinion it's the doc's office responsibility. They have all the information, they under codes, Silent Type 7 hrs ago #59
That's like a claims adjuster for houses. My 1999 MRI was $500.00. bucolic_frolic 10 hrs ago #4
Kudos for the diversion!! dpibel 10 hrs ago #6
They've gotten care in most "claim" denials. Preauthorization is much the same. For example, Medicare's policy on MRIs Silent Type 10 hrs ago #8
So some insurers are targeted by the scammers? dpibel 10 hrs ago #12
You know who gets scammed the most -- MEDICARE. Silent Type 9 hrs ago #19
Objection. Nonresponsive. dpibel 9 hrs ago #22
You need to understand something. I have been for Medicare/caid-for-All since 1982. If I were to dig through my addict Silent Type 9 hrs ago #24
Haven't missed 80% at all dpibel 9 hrs ago #34
She has recieved threats from the Luigi cult. Silent Type 9 hrs ago #35
Are you sure about the Medicare policy? rog 3 hrs ago #68
Hospitals and insurance companies work hand-in-hand on thousands of claims a week.... Think. Again. 10 hrs ago #7
Yeah sure. That's how Medicare or private insurers end up paying claims to providers who don't even exist. Silent Type 10 hrs ago #9
I just don't believe mistakes or fraud could total 30% of claims. Think. Again. 10 hrs ago #11
One more time. Those are INITIAL denials -- similar to examples above -- that are overturned in over 80% of cases Silent Type 10 hrs ago #13
Oh, okay, so this doesn't even address the 34% of final claims denied by UHC. Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #15
Because 80+% of initial claim denials are reversed exactly as outlined in the OP. Have a good night. Silent Type 9 hrs ago #25
It happens with Medicaid because the government hires unscrupulous people to deny claims questionseverything 9 hrs ago #36
Good point, it ain't just private insurance. Medicaid and Medicare are government programs and likely model Silent Type 9 hrs ago #37
Bullshit. I helped care for a lady moniss 8 hrs ago #42
I'd have to see the bills. He might have been submitting improper bills, that were changed Silent Type 8 hrs ago #43
No changes I went through stacks of paperwork moniss 8 hrs ago #47
Like Wendell Potter, got rich supporting denying claims and felt guilty. Ask him if anyone died from his Silent Type 8 hrs ago #48
Not talking about Potter. moniss 8 hrs ago #51
Was that for just one MRI? Eko 10 hrs ago #10
Yes. The actual claim form submitted electronically has a Units column. But, good example of claims not always making Silent Type 10 hrs ago #14
An MRI can cost up to $12,000. Eko 9 hrs ago #17
Example in OP includes meds. The type sedation -- xanax or something -- is pretty cheap. Well, unless provider cheats. Silent Type 9 hrs ago #20
This is what I found. Eko 9 hrs ago #27
If you are uninsured, someone might charge you $50 K. Insurance will not approve $12K, including Medicare. Silent Type 9 hrs ago #31
Let's say $12 K is going rate. Should insurer, including Medicare, pay $17K, or deny and ask for additional . . . . . . Silent Type 9 hrs ago #32
Who was shot in the back for an insurance claim denial? Eko 9 hrs ago #28
Give me a break. You know who Luigi shot and his rationale. Heard tonight Luigi was apparently never insured by UHC. Silent Type 9 hrs ago #30
So if he was never insured by them he certianly wasnt denied a payment claim by them. Eko 8 hrs ago #40
I know enough to not join the Luigi cult. Silent Type 8 hrs ago #41
Same here. Eko 8 hrs ago #45
OK, guess his manifesto said nothing about denials, claims, pre authorization. And UHC never insured him Silent Type 8 hrs ago #46
Here is his manifesto. Eko 8 hrs ago #50
That is not a claim. n/t vanessa_ca 9 hrs ago #18
Read the last paragraph. I explain that. But very few here are going to understand what an electronic claims looks like. Silent Type 9 hrs ago #21
"few here are going to understand what an electronic claims looks like" vanessa_ca 8 hrs ago #39
I answered your question since you didn't read the note in OP. Have a good evening. Silent Type 8 hrs ago #44
I didn't ask you any questions. Your notes in the OP are inadequate. Good night. eom. vanessa_ca 8 hrs ago #49
won't somebody please think of the claims??? WhiskeyGrinder 9 hrs ago #23
Got a good laugh out of that, actually. I do care about shooting someone in the back while being misinformed. Silent Type 9 hrs ago #26
Funny FirefighterJo 9 hrs ago #29
Get it and envious. But lot of the blame is on greedy providers for prices. I've never seen Medicare or private insurers Silent Type 9 hrs ago #33
That "form" looks sketchy. moniss 9 hrs ago #38
Fun fact: UHC employees have been ordered to defend their murders. N/t Hellbound Hellhound 8 hrs ago #52
Considering the misinformation, Luigi cult, etc., don't blame them too. When people catch on government programs Silent Type 8 hrs ago #54
Try English next time Vlad. N/t Hellbound Hellhound 8 hrs ago #55
OK, Timothy McVeigh, or is it ghost of Unabomber? Silent Type 8 hrs ago #57
First of all - Ms. Toad 8 hrs ago #53
So what do think a typical insurer might pay? Three times Medicare, 1.5, even less than Medicare by requiring Silent Type 8 hrs ago #56
So, is it your job to Bettie 7 hrs ago #60
Not "defending" anyone. Trying to point out not just insurance. It's also Congress, Medicare, Providers, Silent Type 7 hrs ago #61
Will no one think of the insurance companies???? dpibel 6 hrs ago #62
Think we ought to put blame where it belongs, Congress primarily for failing us. Silent Type 6 hrs ago #63
They can't help themselves! dpibel 6 hrs ago #64
Insurance companies exist because of Congress' inaction. Silent Type 6 hrs ago #65
Exist? dpibel 5 hrs ago #66
Approximately the same as Medicare. Ms. Toad 2 hrs ago #69
Insurance employees seem like they're as nervous as school children Scrivener7 4 hrs ago #67
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