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Self Esteem

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107. Harris did better than Biden among white men and women.

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:14 PM

Dec 12

That is a fact. Harris hit the benchmarks with white men and women needed to win. She bled out significant support from Hispanics and Blacks compared to Biden, who won with a lower share of the white vote than Harris received.

If Democrats don't figure out why they went from +38 among Hispanics in 2020 to just +5, they won't win another presidential election.

Hispanics are trending Republican. Hispanic men already voted by +10 for Trump. If that numbers holds, Democrats are toast nationally. So, yes, keep deflecting and ignoring the fact that the once strong base of the Democratic Party is trending Republican.

In the end, Harris did better among white men than Biden did. That group WAS stronger for Harris than it was Biden. She lost. Why? Because other minority groups are abandoning the Democratic Party.

Better hope they figure this out because as we just saw, you can improve on white support and STILL LOSE.

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I think the reason that many working-class men voted for Rump is because they love tough guys and they were fooled [View all] LaMouffette Dec 11 OP

What about white women Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #1

Religion get the red out Dec 11 #2

People in Florida are not very religious but they have no problem with a little demagogue named desantis Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #19

Speaking of which, how come it's always about white kids angst? Never about black children and their distress. cbabe Dec 11 #28

Because it resonates with racist Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #55

True. My thought was mostly rhetorical. But I'd sure like to hear it mentioned every time someone mentions cbabe Dec 11 #58

America is based on myths and lies Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #63

Should we keep quiet? Or speak out always? That's how we rewrite the story. cbabe Dec 11 #65

When you try myth busting Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #68

Most residents of Florida are Christians Mariana Dec 11 #96

Cite numbers please Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #98

Over 3,500 gods worshiped by humans since the beginning of time... NotHardly Dec 11 #35

Good point. Maybe they also wanted a tough guy for president and didn't realize they were voting for a buffoon. LaMouffette Dec 11 #5

He played a businessman on TV Beck23 Dec 11 #23

Keepthesoulalive ........... Upthevibe Dec 11 #40

Exit polls are not the actual results happy feet Dec 11 #47

Wait for the Pew validated voter studies to be finished. spooky3 Dec 11 #95

How the he** do you know that. No one knows that. EOM. lostnfound Dec 12 #99

Just checked AP Reuters and Npr Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #49

Not this one BlueKentuckyGirl Dec 11 #41

Don't worry about it Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #42

Yes, but the same rationale applies to all Felon voters Bread and Circuses Dec 11 #77

We've had moral majority, freedom fries Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #79

Male voters rso Dec 11 #3

I know. I don't get it. But he was their guy, fake tan, lifts in his shoes, obese, "bad-built body," and all. LaMouffette Dec 11 #6

Yeah. Another excuse for what is actually bigotry. No one could travelingthrulife Dec 11 #8

45 is JustAnotherGen Dec 11 #82

I don't know BeerBarrelPolka Dec 11 #4

You are absolutely right about the bubble. Even though I live in a red state, I was in my own bubble to such an extent LaMouffette Dec 11 #9

Yes BeerBarrelPolka Dec 11 #14

I'm new here Elmotime Dec 11 #18

Welcome BeerBarrelPolka Dec 11 #20

It's DemocratIC. Always has been Arazi Dec 11 #21

as I said Elmotime Dec 11 #22

Alas Arazi Dec 11 #24

agreed. berksdem Dec 11 #25

I think it's pretty clear Elmotime Dec 11 #27

Stick around BeerBarrelPolka Dec 11 #32

I totally get it... berksdem Dec 11 #33

I'm not going to apologize for requesting that you use Democratic framing Arazi Dec 11 #36

I'm afraid I have to jump in here for a minute. Aristus Dec 11 #46

Well said happy feet Dec 11 #50

Thank you. Aristus Dec 11 #53

The Elmotime JustAnotherGen Dec 11 #81

Such a warm welcome Elmotime Dec 12 #100

It's a message board JustAnotherGen Dec 12 #105

I also mostly read for the same reason. . . . h2ebits Dec 11 #44

Heather Cox Richardson DENVERPOPS Dec 11 #61

I would love to read your observations. Demobrat Dec 11 #51

Just understand JustAnotherGen Dec 11 #84

Trump is not tough. He is out of shape, a pervert, racist failure JI7 Dec 11 #7

I'm with you on the racist part, for sure, but I think Rump created an image of success and toughness that LaMouffette Dec 11 #11

Plus, he wears badly-fitting clothes that look like he slept in them. Aristus Dec 11 #48

No. Once again, the main driver was white supremacy. ananda Dec 11 #10

I agree that racism and misogyny were also major factors. No doubt. But also the tough-guy factor, and Rump's strangely LaMouffette Dec 11 #12

Racists and Misogynists are at heart Bullies. haele Dec 11 #70

Racism and misogyny 🎯 Arazi Dec 11 #31

This! happy feet Dec 12 #101

He is not a tough guy, he is just a bully. nt DURHAM D Dec 11 #13

And they love him for it Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #52

They voted for him because they are nazis. Basso8vb Dec 11 #15

Trump is the Pillsbury Dough Boy w/orange food coloring, RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 11 #16

"Racism is dead." John Roberts said. czarjak Dec 11 #17

2028. I hope Mark Cuban runs. Captain Zero Dec 11 #26

Evangelical and Born Again Christians... pandr32 Dec 11 #29

That's true and also because our party, in its values and its governing Walleye Dec 11 #30

Harris didn't lose because she lost white men. Self Esteem Dec 11 #34

Never has false propaganda Mblaze Dec 11 #45

Maybe so but then we've got to figure out how to counter the messaging... Self Esteem Dec 11 #72

We know that a significant number of Muslims voted for Trump... keep_left Dec 11 #56

It is possible 2024 turns out to be an anomaly election. Self Esteem Dec 11 #74

I'm curious, where are you getting the numbers in those polls? keep_left Dec 11 #75

They're linked in my posts. Self Esteem Dec 11 #88

Duh...should have just subtracted to get the margins. keep_left Dec 11 #91

Because of psychological warfare by Russia Farmer-Rick Dec 11 #57

Your points are reasonable and I agree with your conclusions, as far as they go FakeNoose Dec 11 #60

I can not imagine why ANY DENVERPOPS Dec 11 #66

Yes, she did. That one group, especially white men without spooky3 Dec 11 #93

Harris did better than Biden among white men and women. Self Esteem Dec 12 #107

The next Democratic candidate for president SidneyR Dec 11 #37

And wryter2000 Dec 11 #39

There may never again be "voting" DENVERPOPS Dec 11 #67

how exactly are they going to take over voting in blue states? thebigidea Dec 11 #69

Well, DENVERPOPS Dec 11 #80

I believe there will be open voter intimidation again Arazi Dec 11 #86

My solution wryter2000 Dec 11 #38

I have always thought that Mblaze Dec 11 #43

If you want their vote treat them like 4 yr olds yaesu Dec 11 #54

Joe in 2020 Jimbo S Dec 11 #59

yeah well we are paying for that now Skittles Dec 11 #97

The sooner we stop trying to BlueSky3 Dec 11 #62

Agree GenThePerservering Dec 11 #94

Yes Dem4life1234 Dec 11 #64

Trump did not promise to improve the lives of his voters. He promised to punish the people his voters wanted to hurt. LetMyPeopleVote Dec 11 #71

Trump isn't a tough guy, he's a bully. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 11 #73

Nope. It's still because they're stupid. flvegan Dec 11 #76

Where I'm at today JustAnotherGen Dec 11 #78

This argument might have held a little merit in 2016 Blue_Tires Dec 11 #83

Thank you JustAnotherGen Dec 11 #85

Their mentality is unfathomable n/t ailsagirl Dec 11 #87

Maybe. egduj Dec 11 #89

They think The Wizard Dec 11 #90

I wish people wouldn't refer to Trump as a 'strongman' GenThePerservering Dec 11 #92

Stupidity and selfishness Woodwizard Dec 12 #102

We aren't Europe. We don't have a "working class." We have white-collar, blue collar workers. valleyrogue Dec 12 #103

You nailed it! Blue_Roses Dec 12 #104

Guess they will Rebl2 Dec 12 #106