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Kaleva

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56. The question was if our prison system creates violent criminals
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 01:37 AM
Dec 2024

I think we can agree that the US has far more 1st time violent criminals per capita then Norway does. I think we can agree that the US has far more people per capita living in dire poverty then Norway does. I think we can agree that the drug problem in the US is far greater than it is in Norway. I think we can agree that Norway has a much better social safety net then we do. I think we can agree that Norway has far fewer mass shooters and serial killers per capita then the US does.

Your source didn't differentiate between violent and non violent offenders. The source I provided stated that nonviolent offenders were far less likely to return to prison then violent ones. Ergo, our prison system doesn't turn nonviolent offenders into violent ones. Those who are violent were violent to begin with. Prison didn't turn them into that.

Norway, by any metric, is generally a peaceful and law abiding nation. Their prison system didn't make them that way. They can have the prison system they have because their population is generally peaceful to begin with as a full quarter of prisoners in Norway are foreign born.

".Approximately 26% of inmates are foreign-born."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Norway

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Ok, that was hilarious 🤣😆 ecstatic Dec 2024 #1
I love porcupines AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2024 #26
yikes! It needs to be done with cheese!! lol ecstatic Dec 2024 #46
Why are they keeping him away from other inmates? mucifer Dec 2024 #2
I think that's pretty common with famous (infamous) prisoners. LisaL Dec 2024 #4
They seem to be confused. LisaL Dec 2024 #3
we could learn a lot from the Scandinavian countries The Wandering Harper Dec 2024 #5
Those Scandinavian prisoners do have it good. LisaL Dec 2024 #7
America is Puritan ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #41
Confusion about what? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2024 #8
Ok, lets put it in a different way. LisaL Dec 2024 #9
Is prison supposed to be a punishment because of loss of freedom, or more than that? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2024 #22
if they were in Sweden... TommyT139 Dec 2024 #59
Sometimes I think nothing is more DU than Prairie Gates Dec 2024 #18
yepppppp WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2024 #21
It's an interesting phenomenon. yardwork Dec 2024 #23
Well said. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #32
I hear ya... (nt) Duncan Grant Dec 2024 #34
I think those people have happybird Dec 2024 #54
Maybe it is we who are confused. -misanthroptimist Dec 2024 #13
Their homicide rate is far lower than ours to begin with Kaleva Dec 2024 #15
So, what? -misanthroptimist Dec 2024 #20
What efforts have you made to improve the conditions in the prisons? Kaleva Dec 2024 #49
That's an irrelevant deflection -misanthroptimist Dec 2024 #61
Yep, that's another clue we're doing it wrong. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #33
Our prison system didn't create the criminals Kaleva Dec 2024 #35
Oh, Yes It Does RobinA Dec 2024 #36
Source's? Kaleva Dec 2024 #50
Yes, it does. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #37
Sources? Kaleva Dec 2024 #51
... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #55
The question was if our prison system creates violent criminals Kaleva Dec 2024 #56
No, please re-read the thread.. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #57
The money we spend on policing and incarceration defunds schools, libaries, social programs and other things that WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2024 #40
the carceral system is intimately connected to policing, education, judicial and other institutions. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #43
Apparently, US voters are more interested in cruelty than rehabilitation. yardwork Dec 2024 #24
That's why it's called the penal system. sop Dec 2024 #27
Maybe it's a bad system. yardwork Dec 2024 #28
No and a huge number of them are mentally ill and have substance abuse problems. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2024 #48
again, a person detained is not a person to be punished. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #44
I agree. sop Dec 2024 #45
The Concept of "Otherness" RobinA Dec 2024 #38
I reluctantly agree -misanthroptimist Dec 2024 #39
He is in pre trial detention. He is not guilty of any crime (yet). Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #30
Porcupine meatballs superpatriotman Dec 2024 #6
I actually liked them Kaleva Dec 2024 #14
Your avatar True Dough Dec 2024 #52
Davey and Goliath superpatriotman Dec 2024 #62
Yes!!! True Dough Dec 2024 #63
In the Maricopa County jail system Mosby Dec 2024 #10
$20k for salt? RubyRose Dec 2024 #17
It is very good salt sarisataka Dec 2024 #19
The Maricopa County Jail system holds around 9000 people Mosby Dec 2024 #25
I'm pretty sure he will not be freed. Bonx Dec 2024 #11
Thought this was the Onion Kaleva Dec 2024 #12
Either the Onion or the Borowitz Report, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2024 #16
Anything that elevates Ashleigh Banfield and NewsNation... dchill Dec 2024 #29
Luigi Mangione maybe Times next person of the year. republianmushroom Dec 2024 #31
I think there are more inmates who are worthy of freedom. Let's start with them. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #42
They're at it again. The inmates are all watching News Nation and shouting... LeftInTX Dec 2024 #47
I hope the jail Luigi is in has a library. Trellastic Dec 2024 #53
They did this again on tonights show... communicating with the inmates. IcyPeas Dec 2024 #58
A murderer kills a mass murderer.... /nt artemisia1 Dec 2024 #60
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