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Kaleva

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56. The question was if our prison system creates violent criminals

Fri Dec 13, 2024, 01:37 AM

Dec 13

I think we can agree that the US has far more 1st time violent criminals per capita then Norway does. I think we can agree that the US has far more people per capita living in dire poverty then Norway does. I think we can agree that the drug problem in the US is far greater than it is in Norway. I think we can agree that Norway has a much better social safety net then we do. I think we can agree that Norway has far fewer mass shooters and serial killers per capita then the US does.

Your source didn't differentiate between violent and non violent offenders. The source I provided stated that nonviolent offenders were far less likely to return to prison then violent ones. Ergo, our prison system doesn't turn nonviolent offenders into violent ones. Those who are violent were violent to begin with. Prison didn't turn them into that.

Norway, by any metric, is generally a peaceful and law abiding nation. Their prison system didn't make them that way. They can have the prison system they have because their population is generally peaceful to begin with as a full quarter of prisoners in Norway are foreign born.

".Approximately 26% of inmates are foreign-born."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Norway

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Luigi Mangione's fellow inmates: Free him, 'conditions suck' [View all] WhiskeyGrinder Dec 12 OP

Ok, that was hilarious 🤣😆 ecstatic Dec 12 #1

I love porcupines AZSkiffyGeek Dec 12 #26

yikes! It needs to be done with cheese!! lol ecstatic Dec 12 #46

Why are they keeping him away from other inmates? mucifer Dec 12 #2

I think that's pretty common with famous (infamous) prisoners. LisaL Dec 12 #4

They seem to be confused. LisaL Dec 12 #3

we could learn a lot from the Scandinavian countries The Wandering Harper Dec 12 #5

Those Scandinavian prisoners do have it good. LisaL Dec 12 #7

America is Puritan ThePartyThatListens Dec 12 #41

Confusion about what? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 12 #8

Ok, lets put it in a different way. LisaL Dec 12 #9

Is prison supposed to be a punishment because of loss of freedom, or more than that? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 12 #22

if they were in Sweden... TommyT139 Dec 13 #59

Sometimes I think nothing is more DU than Prairie Gates Dec 12 #18

yepppppp WhiskeyGrinder Dec 12 #21

It's an interesting phenomenon. yardwork Dec 12 #23

Well said. Think. Again. Dec 12 #32

I hear ya... (nt) Duncan Grant Dec 12 #34

I think those people have happybird Dec 13 #54

Maybe it is we who are confused. -misanthroptimist Dec 12 #13

Their homicide rate is far lower than ours to begin with Kaleva Dec 12 #15

So, what? -misanthroptimist Dec 12 #20

What efforts have you made to improve the conditions in the prisons? Kaleva Dec 12 #49

That's an irrelevant deflection -misanthroptimist Dec 13 #61

Yep, that's another clue we're doing it wrong. Think. Again. Dec 12 #33

Our prison system didn't create the criminals Kaleva Dec 12 #35

Oh, Yes It Does RobinA Dec 12 #36

Source's? Kaleva Dec 13 #50

Yes, it does. Think. Again. Dec 12 #37

Sources? Kaleva Dec 13 #51

... Think. Again. Dec 13 #55

The question was if our prison system creates violent criminals Kaleva Dec 13 #56

No, please re-read the thread.. Think. Again. Dec 13 #57

The money we spend on policing and incarceration defunds schools, libaries, social programs and other things that WhiskeyGrinder Dec 12 #40

the carceral system is intimately connected to policing, education, judicial and other institutions. Voltaire2 Dec 12 #43

Apparently, US voters are more interested in cruelty than rehabilitation. yardwork Dec 12 #24

That's why it's called the penal system. sop Dec 12 #27

Maybe it's a bad system. yardwork Dec 12 #28

No and a huge number of them are mentally ill and have substance abuse problems. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 12 #48

again, a person detained is not a person to be punished. Voltaire2 Dec 12 #44

I agree. sop Dec 12 #45

The Concept of "Otherness" RobinA Dec 12 #38

I reluctantly agree -misanthroptimist Dec 12 #39

He is in pre trial detention. He is not guilty of any crime (yet). Voltaire2 Dec 12 #30

Porcupine meatballs superpatriotman Dec 12 #6

I actually liked them Kaleva Dec 12 #14

Your avatar True Dough Dec 13 #52

Davey and Goliath superpatriotman Dec 13 #62

Yes!!! True Dough Dec 13 #63

In the Maricopa County jail system Mosby Dec 12 #10

$20k for salt? RubyRose Dec 12 #17

It is very good salt sarisataka Dec 12 #19

The Maricopa County Jail system holds around 9000 people Mosby Dec 12 #25

I'm pretty sure he will not be freed. Bonx Dec 12 #11

Thought this was the Onion Kaleva Dec 12 #12

Either the Onion or the Borowitz Report, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 12 #16

Anything that elevates Ashleigh Banfield and NewsNation... dchill Dec 12 #29

Luigi Mangione maybe Times next person of the year. republianmushroom Dec 12 #31

I think there are more inmates who are worthy of freedom. Let's start with them. LeftInTX Dec 12 #42

They're at it again. The inmates are all watching News Nation and shouting... LeftInTX Dec 12 #47

I hope the jail Luigi is in has a library. Trellastic Dec 13 #53

They did this again on tonights show... communicating with the inmates. IcyPeas Dec 13 #58

A murderer kills a mass murderer.... /nt artemisia1 Dec 13 #60