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pat_k

(13,097 posts)
78. An interesting observation.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:49 AM
21 hrs ago

And one that seems to be born out in analyses like this one, that seeks to find the "answer" on when life begins in scripture.

https://www.christiancitizen.us/articles/when-does-life-begin-reckoning-with-surprising-answers-in-scripture

June 19, 2022
When does life begin? Reckoning with surprising answers in Scripture
Rev. Dr. Dan Brockway

...
Personally, I found Roe's focus on fetal viability to be a decent compromise. Once a developing fetus has a fighting chance of surviving outside the womb, elective termination of the pregnancy (outside of serious health complications) is more or less objectively immoral.

As much as I have observed these debates as a minister and scholar of the Bible, I have always been struck by how rarely Christians support their view of when life begins on Scripture. While the Bible may not speak definitively to the matter, certainly (as Christians) our views on difficult ethical topics should find some basis in God's word. To that end, here are a few biblical passages that should be considered in the debate over when life begins.

... {see the article for the detailed survey)

Perhaps the biggest takeaway from surveying the Bible's teaching around life and when it begins is that we need to exercise some humility. As Christians, we should strive to relate all of our views and actions to Scripture. When the witness of Scripture is not fully clear, and especially when it clashes with our assumptions, that should call our own certainty into question and inspire humility.

Maybe we are not meant to fully understand when life begins. Maybe God in God's infinite wisdom decided that such knowledge is beyond our paygrade. And maybe that's okay.



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he is the real thing although Crockett has more experience Shellback Squid 23 hrs ago #1
Huh? He's been in office for 8 years. She's only been in office for 5. Wiz Imp 22 hrs ago #43
really? I've only hear of him in the last six months, wow Shellback Squid 22 hrs ago #47
No offense, but he has probably been the most prominent Democrat in Texas state Wiz Imp 21 hrs ago #77
wow, I did not know and I try to stay informed Shellback Squid 10 hrs ago #143
To be fair, Democrats in Texas don't get a ton of national media attention but he has Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #145
See, that right there is what makes me so very leery of any politician. Autumn 9 hrs ago #149
Huh? Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #152
He's Been Around I've Seen Him on YouTube for 18 mo's or so.... ForeGoneLegsBirne 20 hrs ago #85
His service is at the state level Betty Boom 21 hrs ago #74
Really? It's extremely comparable. Legislative experience is legislative experience. Wiz Imp 21 hrs ago #75
The Texas State Legislature only meets every other year SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #97
Thank you for that important information. niyad 12 hrs ago #122
It's certianly comparable. Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #133
He has been in state office since 2018. Rep. Crockett was in state office niyad 21 hrs ago #76
Irrelevant. The fact is he has almost twice as much legislative experience as she does. Wiz Imp 21 hrs ago #79
Quite relevant. Difference between state and national, but do keep trying. niyad 20 hrs ago #81
Statement that I was originlly responding to: " Crockett has more experience" Wiz Imp 15 hrs ago #96
He has two more years than she has. LeftInTX 18 hrs ago #92
Talarico has served for 8 years, Crockett for only 3 pinkstarburst 11 hrs ago #137
He reminds me of Pete Buttigieg mr715 23 hrs ago #2
Especially considering that the Republican primary in Texas was very contentious! nt Lisa0825 23 hrs ago #5
Interesting- that it's Texas and he the slightest more progressive candidate womanofthehills 22 hrs ago #38
NEED MORE+++preacher-style talk!!! CommonHumanity 13 hrs ago #105
Seriously, about the LAST thing I want coming out of our elected SECULAR niyad 12 hrs ago #118
Damn right. Aristus 11 hrs ago #126
That increasing drumbeat is truly frightening. niyad 11 hrs ago #128
He's Got The Same Political Literacy As Buttigieg ForeGoneLegsBirne 20 hrs ago #86
Yep Cosmocat 12 hrs ago #114
As someone with third degree Fetterman burns Cosmocat 12 hrs ago #117
What do you mean by "any of them"? Ziggy Beans 8 hrs ago #157
He seems to work very hard (good work ethic), but that is just my impression. nt BootinUp 23 hrs ago #3
I think he's OK. His track record is good. ananda 23 hrs ago #4
I think he's the real thing. Ocelot II 23 hrs ago #6
Amen! I am Episcopalian and my church is very liberal. skylucy 22 hrs ago #27
I am not Episcopalian, but there is one Reverend that I follow and find fascinating. hamsterjill 22 hrs ago #31
And I'm an ELCA Lutheran evemac 18 hrs ago #91
From what I saw, he was raised Baptist and is now Presbyterian. Coventina 22 hrs ago #32
One of our state senate candidates... Trueblue Texan 21 hrs ago #49
Which Senate District?? If there is anything happening which might increase the number of Democrats in the Lege yellowdogintexas 21 hrs ago #67
Paul Thomasson, Senate District 5 nt Trueblue Texan 14 hrs ago #100
My family is Baptist. They're very religious (me not so much). We're all Dems In It to Win It 21 hrs ago #60
I agree wholeheartedly. You can throw in many United Methodist and United Church of Christ ministers yellowdogintexas 21 hrs ago #65
I used to work at an ELCA Lutheran Church synni 17 hrs ago #94
Talarico is Presbyterian, from the PCUSA liberal branch. wnylib 12 hrs ago #116
I think the same thing... Rver 23 hrs ago #7
See my post below. Lochloosa 23 hrs ago #9
Agree. Really listen to the things he says. yellowdogintexas 21 hrs ago #72
Watch his sermon against Christian Nationalism. He walks the walk. Lochloosa 23 hrs ago #8
Beautiful sermon. markodochartaigh 23 hrs ago #16
+100 pat_k 22 hrs ago #26
Mahalo, Lochloosa I liked his sermon. Cha 21 hrs ago #59
Whole heartedly agree!!!! I first became aware of him after watching this video in my Sunday School Class yellowdogintexas 21 hrs ago #71
But can he just as heartfully represent people who don't care for his personal principles LearnedHand 11 hrs ago #129
atheists and agnostics praise him to the skies in the comments section of all his social media. yellowdogintexas 4 hrs ago #168
I would have preferred Jasmine Crockett as well. markodochartaigh 23 hrs ago #10
I hope you can take a little comfort that he is a unique and incredibly effective speaker against Christian Nationalism pat_k 22 hrs ago #30
Completely setting aside that a dimestore mannequin would be markodochartaigh 22 hrs ago #41
I have no doubt that "next Gen" Dems like Talarico and Crocket will be at the forefront... pat_k 22 hrs ago #46
I was on Reese Waters pod last night kwolf68 23 hrs ago #11
When I think of a Christian democrat Tree Lady 22 hrs ago #29
Jimmy Carter was president before the rise of the religious right. LeftInTX 21 hrs ago #70
My gut says he is not. I can't point to anything specific, just sort of the same LoisB 23 hrs ago #12
To me, it doesn't matter if he is or isn't calguy 21 hrs ago #63
Is the same true for someone like Fetterman or Sinema? live love laugh 21 hrs ago #69
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave 18 hrs ago #90
Where did I mention Christian? That's not my concern. live love laugh 14 hrs ago #99
What is your concern? Ziggy Beans 8 hrs ago #158
Your justification is YouTube? Really? live love laugh 7 hrs ago #163
My justification is following him for years and listening to what he says Ziggy Beans 7 hrs ago #164
Good for you. The previous non. reps didn't reveal themselves until it was too late. live love laugh 6 hrs ago #167
Well, okay then calguy 14 hrs ago #104
Not what was said, but you know that displacedvermoter 13 hrs ago #106
Not a chance he will do that. He has held to these principles and fought hard in yellowdogintexas 4 hrs ago #169
I have concluded he is the real deal. pat_k 23 hrs ago #13
I believe that the more "conservative" one is, Scripturally speaking Seinan Sensei 21 hrs ago #66
An interesting observation. pat_k 21 hrs ago #78
No. Not even a little bit. LearnedHand 11 hrs ago #132
Hispanics are now the largest demographic group in Texas, Jack Valentino 23 hrs ago #14
My reasons for concluding he is absolutely "the real deal" in Post 13. pat_k 23 hrs ago #17
"... Hispanics are also deserving of representation?" markodochartaigh 22 hrs ago #25
I thought he was.... pardon my ignorance :( However, it's quite possible that Jack Valentino 22 hrs ago #28
It's completely ok, and it's not even ignorance. markodochartaigh 22 hrs ago #33
He does well with Hispanic voters, perhaps owing to his tenure teaching... pat_k 22 hrs ago #35
So he is a presbyterian, member of St Andrews in Austin , TX drray23 23 hrs ago #15
The Christian thing, well, that brand is some tarnished Easterncedar 22 hrs ago #18
My reasons for concluding he is the "real deal" in Post 13. pat_k 22 hrs ago #20
I hope he wins in November, no matter what Easterncedar 22 hrs ago #22
He reminds me of Pete Buttigieg. He has the best chance of winning, and that's on a wing and a prayer. Pisces 22 hrs ago #19
Talarico is the real deal. If you havent already, i recommend checking out his sermons and iinterviews SSJVegeta 22 hrs ago #21
I like him and his approach to Christianity. hamsterjill 22 hrs ago #23
Have you seen his Oct 2023 sermon against Christian Nationalism? pat_k 22 hrs ago #37
Yes, I have seen it. hamsterjill 22 hrs ago #45
I despise the hijacking of Christianity that *I* believe has occurred over the last decades." 3catwoman3 21 hrs ago #54
Yep, agree completely luv2fly 22 hrs ago #24
Have you seen his sermon against Christian Nationalism? pat_k 22 hrs ago #39
The irony of stereotyping the winner TheProle 22 hrs ago #34
I don't think that is fair Skittles 22 hrs ago #42
Honestly, I am so completely disgusted. TBF 21 hrs ago #64
I have a friend who has worked bamagal62 22 hrs ago #36
I hear you Skittles 22 hrs ago #40
Is there any other reason you'[re Cha 22 hrs ago #44
Right there with you LearnedHand 21 hrs ago #48
I think he is what I have come to call a Jimmy Carter or Joe Biden Christian. Or John Fugelsang. 3catwoman3 21 hrs ago #50
Sheesh. It takes like 5 seconds to google his background/positions/accomplishments. Wiz Imp 21 hrs ago #51
Hhhmmm.... mwmisses4289 13 hrs ago #109
🙄🙄🙄Would it kill you to take a couple seconds to google? Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #112
I was just noticing that LearnedHand 11 hrs ago #134
🙄See post 112.. Sheesh Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #146
i saw him interviewed by colbert orleans 21 hrs ago #52
Wow. Maybe you should pay a little more attention Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #150
wow -- i'm entitled to my opinion and with the shit going on in my life right now i don't have the orleans 7 hrs ago #160
Simply put, not all Christians are alike. When Talarico speaks about his mother... PeaceWave 21 hrs ago #53
If any Dem can beat Cornyn/Paxton in Texas Talarico is the best chance we have had in a long time. walkingman 21 hrs ago #55
Texas will disappoint me for the rest of my life In It to Win It 21 hrs ago #56
Listen to what he says. Believe what he says. He is NOTHING like those charlatans. yellowdogintexas 21 hrs ago #57
These reviews are MOST interesting to me! calimary 21 hrs ago #61
Talarico was first elected to the Texas House in 2018. summer_in_TX 21 hrs ago #58
He is our best chance to win a state-wide seat in Texas - TBF 21 hrs ago #62
And some of us do not understand why it is so hard for some people niyad 20 hrs ago #88
Kamala Harris lost by 5 points in Texas - TBF 12 hrs ago #123
I live at ground zero for the reichwing religious infiltration of the military, niyad 11 hrs ago #130
There's nothing I can do about the religious zealots of this country - TBF 11 hrs ago #138
Where did I blame you? I am a very cranky and disgusted white woman niyad 8 hrs ago #156
Recommended. H2O Man 21 hrs ago #68
I find his religiosity offputting. Betty Boom 21 hrs ago #73
My husband and I got to see Talarico in person last week at a student-organized event in San Marcos, home of Texas summer_in_TX 21 hrs ago #80
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave 20 hrs ago #84
Really? Who is not giving him 24 hours to bask in his victory and criticizing him for his faith? Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #102
Basking is important. Critical even. Torchlight 11 hrs ago #135
it's also comprised of atheists and agnostics... mike_c 10 hrs ago #142
Rev Warnock will have company if Talarico is elected Deminpenn 18 hrs ago #93
It requires the support of the Black Church JustAnotherGen 9 hrs ago #151
???? Wiz Imp 24 min ago #171
He is the good, Carter kind of Christian. ananda 10 hrs ago #140
President Carter's christianity was not crammed down our throats niyad 7 hrs ago #162
OK ananda 6 hrs ago #165
One opinion piece that was posted on DU earlier today gushed about niyad 20 hrs ago #82
If you would bother to pay attention to a single thing he has ever said or written Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #147
Just stop it! I never even HEARD of this guy until the last few weeks, niyad 8 hrs ago #159
Bookmarking. rzemanfl 7 hrs ago #161
If you would bother to pay attention to a single thing he has ever said or written Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #148
We Democrats HAVE to Get Used to Contesting Again ForeGoneLegsBirne 20 hrs ago #83
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a 20 hrs ago #87
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a 20 hrs ago #89
It is difficult to believe, especially in these times. However, because I remember the Berrigan Brothers retread 15 hrs ago #95
I understand your concerns SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #98
I'll worry when he starts wearing shorts and hooded sweatshirts. sop 14 hrs ago #101
It will be kinda late at that point. displacedvermoter 13 hrs ago #107
Did you watch his sheech last night? Tribetime 14 hrs ago #103
I do not know a lot about him, but I wondered usedtobedemgurl 13 hrs ago #108
Republicans made it absolutely clear they believed Crockett would be much easier to beat Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #113
I see this theory thrown about by people TBF 11 hrs ago #125
Really can't deal with the "barefoot rabbi" stuff!! geojazz 13 hrs ago #110
just vote for the Dem nominee bigtree 12 hrs ago #111
Did you ring? Just_Vote_Dem 12 hrs ago #119
Texas is primed to turn blue bigtree 12 hrs ago #120
Wonderful-Jasmine is a true Democrat, a team player Just_Vote_Dem 11 hrs ago #127
I don't have any problems with James Talarico. Quiet Em 12 hrs ago #115
I haven't really seen any solid reasons from him Torchlight 12 hrs ago #121
Uphill Battle Aepps22 11 hrs ago #124
He has his own apparatus. awesomerwb1 11 hrs ago #136
I've followed them both xmas74 11 hrs ago #131
Why is "believing in him" important? iemanja 11 hrs ago #139
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 10 hrs ago #141
Time to think positive Mysterian 10 hrs ago #144
Jasmine Crockett has come out to publicly and strongly support him. Botany 9 hrs ago #153
Republicans really wanted to run against Crockett so that's says something. Katinfl 9 hrs ago #154
That's the bottom line and all the rest TBF 24 min ago #172
I think he's the real deal MustLoveBeagles 9 hrs ago #155
I too preferred Crockett's in their face B.See 6 hrs ago #166
TBH, I've been turned off by Christian posturing my entire adult life, but after listening to his Colbert interview JudyM 1 hr ago #170
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