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mopinko

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5. it's a hard conversation to have.
Sun May 10, 2026, 12:08 PM
May 10

i wish ppl wd stop singling out aipac. yes, they have worked against progressive candidates for yrs. yes, they have also helped idiot thugs get elected. and yes, they have used shady tactics.
but they r small potatoes compared to the epstein class. and the vast majority of the aid we send to israel comes rt back to us in defense jobs. making them the boogie man is hurting us w many jews who have been reliable dem voters forever.
and we rly, rly have to talk loudly about the rise of antisemitism. ordinary jews, here and esp in the uk, r being attacked and murdered. if it were ordinary americans being murdered in other countries over the actions of tsf, we’d find the words to condemn it.

we rly need to stop shrinking at the accusation of ‘islamophobia’. the true record of islamocists taking over the middle east and often slaughtering ppl of other religions is long and bloody. we shd b calling it out ourselves, or we leave the field open for the evangelicals. jews used to inhabit most of the middle east, but they have been driven out of country after country there. THAT is y israel is soooo important.

it wouldnt hurt to lay out the real history of palestine, which was never a country. and the absolute graft of every palestinian leader from arafat on. many of the leaders of hamas, and their families, r living the high life in qatar and elsewhere on aid money meant for their ppl. THAT is y ppl r starving in gaza.
they cd have had a paradise on the mediterranean, instead they have tunnels and weapons and fat soldiers. tunnels, btw, that they dont allow civilians to shelter in when the bombs fall. food that is not shared w civilians.

maybe we’re beyond the point where we can have nuanced conversations. but we best figure it out.
this is the shit u get when politics becomes soundbites.

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On a Rainy Day [View all] H2O Man May 9 OP
Individually Saoirse9 May 10 #1
A number of things. H2O Man May 10 #6
When was Dick Cheney "ushered on stage" to endorse? What event was that? betsuni May 10 #2
Okay. H2O Man May 10 #7
you obviously don't see the virtue in enabling the election of a white supremacist, criminal madman bigtree May 12 #24
My brains shut down when I try to understand it. betsuni May 13 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni May 13 #43
"It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue" Martin Eden May 10 #3
Very good! H2O Man May 10 #8
One Word Martin Eden May 10 #4
it's a hard conversation to have. mopinko May 10 #5
It has been a long while that I have seen so many of Israel's talking points summarized so well and succinctly. AloeVera May 10 #9
It definitely is hard. H2O Man May 11 #11
i absolutely wish that jews believed in hell, mopinko May 11 #13
Thank you! H2O Man May 11 #15
Good OP malaise May 10 #10
Thank you! H2O Man May 11 #12
interesting bigtree May 11 #14
Interesting. H2O Man May 11 #16
I think you can find numerous statements and actions by Sen. Schumer, if you look, that condem every objectional aspect bigtree May 11 #17
Very good. H2O Man May 11 #18
this is false bigtree May 12 #21
Gracious! H2O Man May 12 #22
that has nothing at all to do with what you claimed is my belief bigtree May 12 #23
Sure it does. H2O Man May 12 #25
well, you go on and tell me what I believe bigtree May 12 #27
Golly. H2O Man May 12 #28
responding to your continued effort to tell me what I believe bigtree May 12 #29
You are funny! H2O Man May 12 #30
you might not find it as funny if I did the same dishonest and demeaning thing bigtree May 12 #31
I think that H2O Man May 12 #32
I think it's sad that you can't find something that actually affects Americans to prioritize in the next election bigtree May 12 #33
Comic genius! H2O Man May 12 #34
like I said bigtree May 12 #35
Ha! H2O Man May 12 #36
lol, sweating 'Robert' bigtree May 13 #37
I have never H2O Man May 13 #38
there you go again, claiming I said things I haven't said or implied bigtree May 13 #39
You are confused. H2O Man May 13 #40
the hubris in representing to me that you know ANYTHING substantive about what I believe bigtree May 13 #44
Catch-22, denialism and a few other things... AloeVera May 11 #19
Americans were divided on that conflict bigtree May 12 #20
The attempts at restraint failed because there was little behind them to make them serious. AloeVera May 13 #41
I think you're assuming levers of influence that didn't exist for Biden bigtree May 13 #45
I am reminded H2O Man May 12 #26
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