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H2O Man

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2. Thank you!
Fri May 22, 2026, 02:05 PM
14 hrs ago

I've been thinking about writing the actual story of the murderers that Rubin and John were falsely convicted of. There are a few good books, but there were things that couldn't be told until, well, everyone involved had died. The fellow with the shotgun, who Rubin was accused of being, confessed on his death bed, and named the late guy with the pistol.

There are still people in the boxing community who insist that Rubin was guilty. It is interesting to see their response to a few things. First, let's consider the murder of Malcolm X. Two men, dressed in suits, one with a shotgun, the other a pistol. The crime Rubin was convicted of had two men dressed in suits, one with a shotgun, the other with a pistol. Now, Rubin and John were not in the NOI, and were dressed differently than the murderers. The two that survived the shooting said it was not Rubin and John that night while they were in the hospital.

And that's just the beginning. The police had picked up the two actual gunmen that night. Both failed polygraphs, while Rubin and John passed their's. (I have the reports.) One was held in jail for a month. The other fled the state after being released. He had told his uncle, a well-known boxing referee, the truth before leaving. But witnesses for Rubin and John were threatened. One was held by police for a month in a hotel room, being pressured to lie.

I could go on and on.

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9 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Hurricane [View all] H2O Man 14 hrs ago OP
You ought to be a writer. cachukis 14 hrs ago #1
Thank you! H2O Man 14 hrs ago #2
If you have the time and enough typewriter ribbons. cachukis 13 hrs ago #5
Any possibility -- this is kind of far-fetched -- that Rubin was framed to take him out of the boxing game? malthaussen 12 hrs ago #19
Wow, hell of a story, good job! Walleye 14 hrs ago #3
Thanks! H2O Man 13 hrs ago #6
That's so interesting and sad. Shows how little we know of our own history. Walleye 11 hrs ago #24
Waterman you are my idea of good people malaise 14 hrs ago #4
Thank you! H2O Man 13 hrs ago #7
Nailed it re the penal system malaise 12 hrs ago #13
There are some H2O Man 12 hrs ago #21
The cruelty sanctioned by the state in many countries is malaise 11 hrs ago #27
"Less money invested in prisons?" I don't think so, Pat. malthaussen 12 hrs ago #20
Not in my state. H2O Man 12 hrs ago #22
That was an excellent read. You had a super cool experience becoming friends with Hurricane. 1WorldHope 13 hrs ago #8
Thank you! H2O Man 13 hrs ago #11
It is a pleasure to be here and read your wisdom. 1WorldHope 11 hrs ago #23
Well, thank you! H2O Man 5 hrs ago #29
A Truly Strong Man Kid Berwyn 13 hrs ago #9
I have a NYT article H2O Man 11 hrs ago #25
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe 13 hrs ago #10
Thank you! H2O Man 11 hrs ago #26
Dylan flashman13 13 hrs ago #12
Great song! H2O Man 5 hrs ago #30
I read this a few months ago. mgardener 12 hrs ago #14
Beautiful! H2O Man 5 hrs ago #31
Wonderful story, H2O Man! lastlib 12 hrs ago #15
Thanks! H2O Man 4 hrs ago #32
Thanks, Pat Easterncedar 12 hrs ago #16
K & R Recommended! FakeNoose 12 hrs ago #17
Wonderful, amazing and inspiring. people 12 hrs ago #18
I love your Rubin stories Saoirse9 10 hrs ago #28
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