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EarlG

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Mon Dec 9, 2024, 01:52 PM Dec 9

Post-election DU upgrades and news [View all]

This is a long announcement. Please read on for news about DU and social media, discussions about the future of the Democratic Party on DU, and an update to DU's post footer buttons.

Hello everyone,

Well, it's been about a month since the election, and like everyone else here, the results hit me pretty hard, personally. I must admit that it's taken me some time to process things. I was not as shocked as I was after the 2016 election -- when we all felt that there was no way America could elect someone like Trump -- but given everything that's happened since he was elected the first time, it's clear that a second Trump presidency is going to be significantly worse than the first one (which was already appalling).

But if DU wasn't created for times like this, then I don't know what it was created for. When we launched the site in 2001, the media landscape was absolutely dominated by right-wing news talk radio, and we wanted to use the then-new technology of the Internet to push back, and provide a space for those on the left to talk free and clear of right-wing interruptions. DU is no longer new technology, but its purpose remains the same.

So with that said, here's some news about where we go from here. The three important things I want to talk about in this post are social media on DU (and DU on social media), the future of the Democratic Party, and some post-election DU software upgrades.


Social media

X/Twitter and Bluesky

Post-election, it has become clear that social media is more important than ever in our political landscape. As such, we are making some changes in this area on DU.

First, we plan to remove X/Twitter embeds from DU. Since liberal Twitter seems to be moving over to Bluesky, we plan to replace X/Twitter embeds and X/Twitter sharing with Bluesky. This does not mean that X/Twitter is banned from DU. It just means that -- if everything goes according to plan -- links to tweets will no longer embed as tweets on DU, they will simply show up as links. Meanwhile Bluesky links will show up as embedded posts.

In addition, we are removing X/Twitter from the Share options on DU OPs. That button will be replaced with a Share to Bluesky button.

Unfortunately, embedding Bluesky posts is not as straightforward as we had hoped, and we're not sure yet if we can get it to work. If we can, we will announce the switch from X/Twitter to Bluesky embeds when it happens. If we can't, we'll decide whether to continue with X/Twitter embeds or not (we are leaning towards removing them).

In the meantime, the Share to Bluesky button will be available when we release our new software patch tomorrow (see below for details).

DU on social media

DU has had Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter accounts for years. However, the only thing I ever used them for was posting my Pic Of The Moment, which I have not produced in a while, and which I'm still figuring out how (or whether) to continue. We have not used our Twitter account since Elon Musk bought Twitter, and I consider that account effectively irrelevant.

DU does have an unused Mastodon account, and I recently created a Bluesky account, which is also as yet unused.

The simple fact is this: I suck at social media. I don't have personal social media accounts. I don't care about social media in the slightest. But I don't think that should stop DU from having active, effective social media accounts. I know that there are lots of people on DU who are essentially experts at social media, who could actually turn our social media accounts into a force for good.

So I'm just going to put this on the table and leave it for further discussion: I'm considering asking for volunteers to help manage DU's social media accounts. If you're the kind of person who likes social media, is good at it, and has an idea for what DU could do with its current social media accounts, I could use your help. If you're interested in exploring this idea further, please reply to let me know.


The future of the Democratic Party

We have entered a new political era. While Donald Trump trashes our societal norms and government institutions, our old leaders are aging out, and a new crop of younger Democrats will soon rise to the top. Donald Trump will be a lame duck as soon as he takes office, and it surely won't be long before talk turns to the subject of who will run for president in 2028.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that we need a forum to discuss the 2028 Democratic presidential primaries. That is a long, long way off. However, I'm suggesting that we might need a dedicated space to talk about the future of the party, and where we go from here. DU was recently operating under General Election rules, meaning that DUers must support our presidential nominee, and in the age of Trump my observation has been that DUers have been less tolerant of criticism of Democratic politicians -- understandably so.

However, I think that it would not be unhealthy to provide a space for discussion of where the Party should go next. These conversations may not be easy, but I do not think we should be afraid to have them, and I think they can be done in a civil manner. If you have an opinion on whether we should consider a new forum for these discussions, please let me know in reply to this thread. I'll see what the response looks like, and if it's something that seems wanted or needed, I'll open a new thread to discuss it separately.


Post-election DU software upgrades

Tomorrow, we are releasing a new software patch which makes some changes to the footer buttons on posts. (We were hoping to make these changes prior to the election, but ran out of time.) These are not significant changes, but they do streamline the buttons somewhat, and also add some additional functionality which people have been asking for.

Please note that the examples below are shown in DU's default mode, but if you use Night Mode or Skinner Mode, the buttons will also be updated appropriately.

New OP footer buttons -- when looking at someone else's OP

One purpose of this upgrade is to improve the visibility of the Share button. There's obviously a ton of great info on DU, and we think it should get shared more widely on social media. So we've given the Share button a more prominent placement.



But what about the Edit button, and how do you self-delete, or add/remove Journal entries? Well...

New OP footer buttons -- when looking at your own OP

When you are looking at one of your own posts, the new Options button will appear. This is essentially a re-branding of the "Powers" button. (The "Powers" button was a holdover from DU3, because it's what we called that button when it was used by Hosts and MIRT, but we think Options is more intuitive.)



This button will not be available unless you are looking at one of your own posts. When you are looking at one of your own posts and the Options button is available, clicking on it will allow you to edit, self-delete, or add/remove the post as a Journal entry.

(Note for Forum Hosts and MIRT members: The Options button replaces the Powers button, so you will find all your current abilities by clicking the Options button. When you see the Options button on someone else's post, it will appear as a normal grey button. On your own posts, it will be green as in the screenshots above.)

New reply footer buttons

Everything mentioned above about the Options button also applies to replies. (In the examples below, you won't see the Options button, but if you're looking at your own post, you will.) In addition, we have improved the Rec function on replies by separating the rec count from the rec button. This change will allow you to click through and see who has recommended a reply, just as you can do with an OP.

When a reply has not been recommended



When you have recommended a reply



Clicking the Rec button will add a rec (or remove it if you already rec'd and changed your mind). Clicking the rec count will take you to the post in single-post mode, which will display the list of who rec'd it.

We plan to update the buttons on Tuesday afternoon, December 10, 2024, at around 4pm ET. This will hopefully be fairly seamless, with only a brief moment of downtime. I'll make an additional announcement tomorrow right before we do it. Please note that when we launch this patch, as with every change we make to the software, there's a strong chance that it will require some bugfixes and cleanup.

I think that's all for now! Thanks for reading.

EarlG, on behalf of Elad -- the DU Administrators
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THANK YOU FOR REMOVING XHITTER!!!!!! Maru Kitteh Dec 9 #1
Yeah a Big FU to mskhead... I like it! Cha Dec 9 #20
At last! Thank you. Jit423 Dec 9 #117
I DISAGREE, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Those who dislike the Twitter embeds Jack Valentino Dec 9 #161
I agree. There's still a lot of good stuff on X.a lot of prominent people still use it. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 10 #175
I would like to see a separate forum in where the Party should go next kerry-is-my-prez Dec 10 #176
Dont support fascism by supporting X-itter Flatrat Dec 10 #182
You support the global oligarchy of Musk as you wish. Democrats should not help you, and Maru Kitteh Dec 10 #187
Oopsy ... kooth Dec 9 #2
Fixed EarlG Dec 9 #7
Dec 11 dweller Dec 9 #3
I like the idea of the Democratic Party Forum separate from General relayerbob Dec 9 #4
Not very nuanced about Blue but you're right... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #65
Here it is relayerbob Dec 9 #121
Got it! ... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #139
I don't even know what that is relayerbob Dec 9 #157
Interesting! I'm glad... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #160
The only reason I originally joined Xitter relayerbob Dec 9 #163
A question for you relayerbob Dec 10 #186
Hi! 👋 littlemissmartypants Dec 10 #188
Understood relayerbob Dec 10 #189
Ok, then... littlemissmartypants Dec 10 #190
Thanks, but .... relayerbob Dec 10 #192
I don't want Threads Facebook or IG embeds -- those platforms censor Dems. live love laugh Dec 9 #74
what is IG? nt orleans Dec 9 #98
Probably Instagram. nt Shipwack Dec 9 #119
I've never once had a post blocked on either FB or Threads (I don't use IG) relayerbob Dec 9 #122
It's not blocking that matters on algorithmic platforms. Voltaire2 Dec 9 #138
All great info, BUT - Tuesday is the 10th, not the 11th. n/t intheflow Dec 9 #5
Thank you, EarlG. Elessar Zappa Dec 9 #6
Thank you guys, you are all awesome. n/t SheilaAnn Dec 9 #8
First of all Thank You for all your work... MiHale Dec 9 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author eggplant Dec 9 #10
Yes, I think providing a new forum for the future of the Democratic NewHendoLib Dec 9 #11
Agree, but I'd like to see it in General Discussion n/t leftstreet Dec 9 #19
I'm not sure what you mean. ShazzieB Dec 9 #89
Doggone changes keithbvadu2 Dec 9 #12
Thank you, EarlG and elad, as always, for everything. You guys rock. Aristus Dec 9 #13
Thank you for the updates! ZDU Dec 9 #14
Cool beans! 2naSalit Dec 9 #15
Thanks for the update BumRushDaShow Dec 9 #16
I support the proposed changes! cilla4progress Dec 9 #17
Thank you for all you do! When looking at the button updates woodsprite Dec 9 #18
I would prefer a separate forum for the "new direction" discussions. W_HAMILTON Dec 9 #21
Count me in on being for the new forum for discussing the Democratic Party's future. ificandream Dec 9 #22
Any plans to allow TikTok embeds, like with YouTube videos? JoseBalow Dec 9 #23
Thanks, Guys orangecrush Dec 9 #24
This place keeps me sane, too! calimary Dec 10 #177
Thank you for your hard work! Dennis Donovan Dec 9 #25
Thanks for all the hard work. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 9 #26
What is your Bluesky handle? /nt Sweet Freedom Dec 9 #27
Look for the logo... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #69
Thanks for posting that link red dog 1 Dec 9 #82
Yes it's @demunderground.bsky.social EarlG Dec 9 #106
Got it, thanks. red dog 1 Dec 9 #110
You should edit your profile and put Democratic Underground as the display name. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 10 #193
Thanks! Followed. :) /nt Sweet Freedom Dec 12 #205
Mahalo for DU, EarlG & Elad and Cha Dec 9 #28
Count me in on being in favor of the new forum! Polybius Dec 9 #29
Good to read this as when I started, I was fearing something else entirely... hlthe2b Dec 9 #30
Yes, I think we should have a new thread to discuss where the Democratic Party is going h2ebits Dec 9 #31
great work, amazing DoBW Dec 9 #32
There are good rightful people that are staying on X. The Grand Illuminist Dec 9 #33
She's on blue. littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #70
She still posts on X as well. The Grand Illuminist Dec 9 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #87
It is literally a fascist propaganda organization. Voltaire2 Dec 10 #180
It can also be a great tool The Grand Illuminist Dec 10 #185
Yes of course you are off 'fighting the good fight'. Voltaire2 Dec 10 #191
👍 underpants Dec 9 #34
Under POWERS/OPTIONS can we have a "Delete Trump" option? Thanks in advance. usonian Dec 9 #35
Keep it all in GD for now Renew Deal Dec 9 #36
Disagree. GD moves too fast... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #73
The problem is that if you move it out, people won't see them Renew Deal Dec 9 #90
They will if you make it a main board Polybius Dec 9 #93
Sinking and dying on the vine... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #112
I agree wholeheartedly. Silver Gaia Dec 10 #168
TY! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 10 #170
You are most welcome. Thank you for speaking up! Silver Gaia Dec 10 #178
TY! 😘 We sure do need it more than ever! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 10 #179
I tend to agree. returnee Dec 9 #102
To be clear this would be a new top-level forum EarlG Dec 9 #108
Thank you, EarlG and Elad. Where would we be without you? Scrivener7 Dec 9 #37
I have no idea if you can, but write the forum you propose in such a way Prairie_Seagull Dec 9 #38
Suggest you do NOT drop you Twitter account Maeve Dec 9 #39
Agree. Place hold the DU moniker on xitter. ... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #76
I'm not closing the DU Twitter account for the reason you state EarlG Dec 9 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #143
i recommend you get an account at blue sky before someone takes the name. nt orleans Dec 9 #153
I'm in fir happy feet Dec 9 #40
Iagree with the new forum idea senseandsensibility Dec 9 #41
Thanks for posting this, senseandsensibility. My feelings exactly! BComplex Dec 9 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author Prairie_Seagull Dec 9 #42
I'm in for happy feet Dec 9 #43
I love ALL of it. I recommend Buffer for whoever manages DU accounts on socials CousinIT Dec 9 #44
I found this comparison helpful... ultralite001 Dec 9 #78
SoMe Bookmark ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #80
You're welcome... ultralite001 Dec 9 #81
Bookmark. SoMe rec. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #79
I actually do use Buffer already EarlG Dec 9 #109
I'm sure someone on DU can help! We have mods...we can have social media... CousinIT Dec 9 #124
I volunteer if you'd like my help. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #145
I'm also a social media non-participant but,... Think. Again. Dec 9 #150
Thank you, and I'm all for a forum for discussing our party's future. femmedem Dec 9 #45
I fully support a forum where people can discuss the future of the party, Seeking Serenity Dec 9 #46
This is one of my biggest fears... slightlv Dec 9 #140
I support a forum like that as well DSandra Dec 9 #149
I am all in on a separate Forum to discuss WheelWalker Dec 9 #47
I like the future of the Democratic party forum Lulu KC Dec 9 #48
I like the idea of a forum about the future of the Democratic Party and where we might go from here. red dog 1 Dec 9 #49
He has four accounts on blue... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #148
Thanks, I didn't know that. red dog 1 Dec 11 #200
if x gets switched out with blue sky maybe you could find something there orleans Dec 9 #158
I've tried to thank you for posting that link 3 times, with no luck. red dog 1 Dec 11 #201
awww... well, thank you for being so persistent. this thank you went through and you're welcome orleans Dec 11 #203
Thank you, EarlG and all DU Admins evolves Dec 9 #50
I'm in favor of a new forum to discuss the future of the Democratic Party. yardwork Dec 9 #51
I definitely think we need a forum for discussions on the Democratic Party's future. LoisB Dec 9 #52
Thank you so much! 💙💙💙 LiberalLoner Dec 9 #53
I'm really glad you're not into social media... :- nt LAS14 Dec 9 #54
lol. yeah, that gives him waay more time to focus on us here! orleans Dec 9 #159
Another vote for a "Future of the Democratic Party " forum Fiendish Thingy Dec 9 #55
Question about X/Twitter embeds Different Drummer Dec 9 #56
All. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #77
I agree with you that we need to discuss where the Party goes from here. kentuck Dec 9 #57
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION!! ailsagirl Dec 9 #58
These are great changes... Spazito Dec 9 #59
sounds good. thanks for all you do Kali Dec 9 #60
I like the idea for the separate forum. greatauntoftriplets Dec 9 #61
Thanks for the update, EarlG, and for everything you and Elad are doing. And add me to the DUers highplainsdem Dec 9 #62
Got it. Thanks! Iggo Dec 9 #63
Just don't name the new forum "JackPine Radical". nt eppur_se_muova Dec 9 #64
Excellent! Thank you so much. applegrove Dec 9 #66
Thanks EarlG malaise Dec 9 #67
Thank you, Earl, Mr.Bill Dec 9 #68
Thank you for all you do dlk Dec 9 #71
Thanks for EVERYTHING! elleng Dec 9 #75
I am definitely on board montanacowboy Dec 9 #83
For the proposed "future-of-the-Democratic-party" forum, posting rules will have to be relaxed significant;y SpankMe Dec 9 #84
DU has never, ever been a "free speech" forum EarlG Dec 9 #111
❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #142
Support that discussions of where the Party should go next... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #85
"Won't use the reply rec anymore with the change. I like that it's anonymous." - Me too: I like the anonymity nmmi Dec 9 #164
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one. ... littlemissmartypants Dec 10 #169
I suppose it will be retroactive too, so that all one's reply recs will be exposed since the beginning of DU4 nmmi Dec 10 #173
I hope it's retroactive JoseBalow Dec 10 #172
New forum for dem party needed - and may attract new members TBF Dec 9 #86
Also a fan of Bluesky - TBF Dec 9 #88
Thanks Earl. I feel pumped already! GreenWave Dec 9 #92
Like! Like! Like! Mike Nelson Dec 9 #94
Thank you. Blue Dawn Dec 9 #95
Great, EarlG and Elad! Eugene Dec 9 #96
Thank you for all you do solara Dec 9 #97
I'm in favor of anything that gives that MFer MuskRat the finger!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 9 #99
I fully support a forum where the future of virgdem Dec 9 #100
Add another vote in favor of a "future of the Democratic Party" forum with looser rules in some areas JHB Dec 9 #101
I support a new forum to discuss The future of the Democratic Party. quaint Dec 9 #103
Thank you for removing Twitter MustLoveBeagles Dec 9 #104
I have shyed away from posting in DU since the election because the direction William769 Dec 9 #105
New forum. Magoo48 Dec 9 #113
Awesome Windy Apple Dec 9 #114
Great news! Lunabell Dec 9 #115
Strongly agree with shunning Xtwitter. SCantiGOP Dec 9 #116
all good stuff! Takket Dec 9 #118
Thanks, and I also support the new forum idea. nt Shipwack Dec 9 #120
Thank you, and yes to a separate forum for moving the party forward. GPV Dec 9 #123
We need the ability to analyze the paths forward for the Democratic Party. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #125
I don't know if you've... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #141
I'm not saying a lawless zone. Just one without juries. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #147
I think any place... littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #151
That's all fair. You and Earl G know more than I. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #154
❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 9 #155
❤️ nt Hellbound Hellhound Dec 9 #156
Regarding discussion of the Party etc Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 9 #126
DU - Now More Than Ever! Snarkoleptic Dec 9 #127
Thanks EarlG bdamomma Dec 9 #128
Hard vote for a separate forum thread for issues concerning the party Cheezoholic Dec 9 #129
X is in the Trash. MagaSmash Dec 9 #130
Here here keepthemhonestO Dec 9 #131
Seem like good ideas Cosmo Blues Dec 9 #132
This must have been... oldsoldierfadingfast Dec 9 #133
EarlG.............. Upthevibe Dec 9 #134
Great job, and I'd like to see the new forum HereForTheParty Dec 9 #135
All excellent moves forward!! Moosepoop Dec 9 #136
Following This Thread Baron2024 Dec 9 #137
+1 on the Party Direction Forum Bristlecone Dec 9 #144
A forum about the future of the party- YES! 👍 RainCaster Dec 9 #146
I support a new forum as well for discussions DSandra Dec 9 #152
I will be disappointed if Twitter embeds no longer appear, regardless of what happens Jack Valentino Dec 9 #162
Thank you for all you do ... and yes, I think a dedicated forum for the future of the party is a great idea fishwax Dec 9 #165
GREAT IDEA about enlisting some DUers to administrate the site's social media accounts! Jack Valentino Dec 9 #166
Thanks for all your efforts at B.See Dec 9 #167
Thank you EarlG and team. Hope22 Dec 10 #171
K&R! burrowowl Dec 10 #174
Thank you, EarlG and Elad! gademocrat7 Dec 10 #181
New forum, no Twitter ramapo Dec 10 #183
I left X when he allowed the Nazis back sellitman Dec 10 #184
Zelenskyy's Syria statement today is a Tweet Bobstandard Dec 10 #194
Yes, I'm all for a Future of the Unified Democratic Party Forum, the sooner the better. ancianita Dec 10 #195
Has the update happened? I'm not seeing the new stuff yet. CousinIT Dec 10 #196
Thanks for all you do! A couple thoughts: FireUpChips10 Dec 10 #197
I like the idea of a forum. We just lost an election to a convicted felon. boston bean Dec 11 #198
A separate forum would become an alert-drenched slapfest Sympthsical Dec 11 #199
Well said. On the one hand, it would be 'interesting' for some of us Abolishinist Dec 11 #202
We need a forum for critique. carpetbagger Dec 12 #204
Geriatric Democratic Leadership Refuse to Step Aside devans00 Dec 17 #206
Message auto-removed Name removed Wednesday #207
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