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rpannier

(24,598 posts)
17. Israel is on the side of good. That's a rather laughable claim
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 08:49 PM
Dec 15

A country that, at the very least, is engaging in ethnic cleansing is not on the side of good. And before you try and say that's not true, by their own admission Israel has said that they are doing as much:
In January 2024, Israel was trying to negotiate moving all the Palestinians to at least two African countries: Rwanda and Congo. Lest you think this is something made up by "anti-Semites" and "Israeli-haters", this "plan" has been floated and supported by the Religious Zionism and Otzma Yehudit parties as party policy, and specifically supported by Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, among others as reported in the The Times of Israel and Haaretz.
There have also been reports of other African countries, and even countries in South America that have been mentioned. None of those countries have been identified, so it's not a certainty, unlike Rwanda which says the turned down Israel.

The Side of Good generally does not shoot a six year old girl in a car with a sniper (Hind Rajib), shoot civilians waving white flags, block and bomb aid trucks, etc. But, if you can find those 'Side of Good' that does murder 6-year olds trying to get assistance (that we have on a phone call to emergency services) in February 2024, shoot unarmed civilians waving white flags, and starving people, please share.
In the 90s, these actions were considered war crimes in Bosnia -- the Serbs and Croats were not considered on the Side of Good.

Some have called what Israel is doing a genocide. That is open for debate, but Sandrine Irankunda, an ethnic Tutsi who survived the Rwandan Genocide of the 90s says it looks an awful lot like a genocide to her. That the Prime Minister Netanyahu, and others like Itamar Ben-Gvir (an apologist for Baruch Goldstein) made the call to Amalek makes what is happening questionable. Even Alan Dershowitz finds the evoking of Amalek troubling and unacceptable -- and has held that opinion for decades.

I would also add, that I have seen several for military officers say what is Israel is doing looks to them like Israel is not trying to truly contain the situation. In war, when you take a city, you control it then move on. By getting control, it prevents the enemy from circling back. Israel is not controlling, they're attacking, moving on, eventually Hamas returns to that area and Israel levels it again. What Israel is doing is not consistent with what armies do to prevent massive bloodletting.

Would also add, having been living in Korea and Japan for the last 26 years, Japanese news has been covering since the early 70s Israeli kidnappings of farmers on the southern border of Lebanon. These people are Christian and Moslem. The Israelis have, over the last half-century been accused of kidnapping thousands, most are never seen again. Some that are seen again, are found dead.

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7 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

kick Eko Dec 15 #1
Authoritarians, give them an inch they'll take a country n/t Cheezoholic Dec 15 #2
Hell, why stop there? no_hypocrisy Dec 15 #3
Excellent idea! Richard D Dec 15 #5
There is nothing Israel does that you won't defend iemanja Dec 15 #10
On 25 March 2019, the U.S. formally recognized Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights. speak easy Dec 15 #13
So, a kind of Westward Expansion for the Middle East Astraea Dec 15 #18
Why is annexing other countries frowned upon these unless it's Israel? Polybius Dec 15 #19
Pay up Sucker uncledad Dec 16 #24
Probably already in the works Bettie Dec 15 #16
he's not going to stop there. nt Javaman Dec 15 #20
Israel annexed the Golan Heights in 1981. So it's been a done deal for 43 years in many/most Israeli minds nmmi Dec 15 #4
Kinda interesting... Richard D Dec 15 #6
Only about 20% of the Druze residents have Israeli citizenship muriel_volestrangler Dec 15 #7
The six villages Richard D Dec 15 #8
You can read about it here. . Richard D Dec 15 #9
"An unverified video...purports to show a member of the Druze community...calling for the community to be annexed" muriel_volestrangler Dec 15 #12
Well, sorry for the kneejerk accusation . . . Richard D Dec 15 #14
Israel is on the side of good. That's a rather laughable claim rpannier Dec 15 #17
Here's a map of the Golan Heights and the buffer zone nmmi Dec 15 #11
No doubt this is all Hamas' fault, and they can end it any time they want. Orrex Dec 15 #15
Some people! Aussie105 Dec 15 #22
Right? And for the record... Orrex Dec 16 #27
there is a word for this.... keroro gunsou Dec 15 #21
No idea, it all looks like the bottom of the ocean that rose out of the water ages ago. Aussie105 Dec 16 #23
What's so important about it for Israel is it is very high ground it looks over Israel EX500rider Dec 16 #26
Which Syria regularly did until Israel occupied the Golan. maxsolomon Dec 16 #29
Ski resorts and vineyards. Swede Dec 16 #30
Of course they do. /nt artemisia1 Dec 16 #25
Land Grab uncledad Dec 16 #28
To the victors the spoils. Swede Dec 16 #31
Might doesn't make right Avalon Sparks Dec 16 #32
Israel has become what they feared most in the past. Aussie105 Dec 16 #33
Muslims conquered the Middle east, North Africa, Spain, and into Asia. Swede Dec 16 #35
Let's not mention land grabs closer to home and much larger . . . Aussie105 Dec 17 #37
Yes let's not mention them Avalon Sparks Dec 19 #38
What? Avalon Sparks Dec 19 #39
Read some history. Swede Dec 19 #41
Got it Avalon Sparks Dec 19 #43
Oh, never mind. I just read you think Hamas and Hezbollah are resistance fighters. Swede Dec 19 #42
Colonial? Jews have lived in the Middle East as long as Arabs, and other groups have... Israel has a right to exist BUT electric_blue68 Dec 16 #36
Thank you for the thoughtful reply Avalon Sparks Dec 19 #40
That's how we got WW1 and WW2. Crunchy Frog Dec 16 #34
History contains little beyond a list of people who have accommodated themselves with other people's property. Voltaire Ping Tung Dec 19 #44
Good, should have happened 43 years ago. Tarc Dec 19 #45
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