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reACTIONary

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20. Thanks for your reply! In my own opinion....
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 12:53 PM
Jan 2025

Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2025, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)

... if there was a deliberate attempt to white wash Russian involvement, they would have made an official declaration, rather than leave it to leaks. To the contrary, the current administration and probably the other foreign services seem to have an interest in creating suspicion and fear of Russia in order to motivate and continue support for Ukraine. A reasonable strategy under those conditions would be to not make ANY disclosures, leaving the suspicion intact while not having to risk a major escalation. Under those circumstances, a leak would be the only way for those who are more inclined to be informative to get the news out.

White washing is also incompatible with other disclosures of Russian attempts at sabotage, right up to attempts to plant bombs on civilian aircraft. Bombing a civilian aircraft is pretty close to an act of war, I would think.

There was also the case of the bombing of the gas pipeline. Ultimately it was determined that this was not done by Russia (which never made sense to me) but by Ukraine - or Ukraine state-sponsored actors. The results of this investigation were frankly disclosed, even though that conclusion would not be supportive of continued support for Ukraine - presumably support for Ukraine being in the interest of those who made the disclosure.

One other consideration.... International shipping is not well regulated or controlled. In the article you will note that the ship responsible for the incident is part of the "shadow fleet" and was surreptitiously carrying Russian oil. It is also noted that the several countries involved have started a program of advanced surveillance since these incidents occurred, which would indicate that no such surveillance was in place previously.

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I don't believe it, it was the russians Shellback Squid Jan 2025 #1
Absolutely. And WaPo is a shitty news source. Dave Bowman Jan 2025 #3
First, They are reporting on .... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #6
Wapo is a shitty news source, period. Dave Bowman Jan 2025 #11
Okey Dokey .... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #13
they have the satellite tracking of one of the ships that cut the electrical line going to Finland lapfog_1 Jan 2025 #45
Backtracking is certainly a suspicious maneuver.... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #46
And you know this how? paleotn Jan 2025 #23
No chance it was an accident. That ship dragged its anchor for miles and miles. Calista241 Jan 2025 #2
That, along with several other facts and assessments... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #7
Cover story PJMcK Jan 2025 #4
Why would "the governments" want .... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #9
Consider this PJMcK Jan 2025 #14
Thanks for your reply! In my own opinion.... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #20
Yeah, right dalton99a Jan 2025 #5
That sounds like a bigger pile of crap than a tRump diaper load. CentralMass Jan 2025 #8
See #29 for article links which would refute this bs SheltieLover Jan 2025 #32
Why would cables be laid where "maritime accidents" could occur? BadgerKid Jan 2025 #10
If they cross the entirety of a body of water used for maritime trade, Igel Jan 2025 #16
Because there isn't any other place... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #18
??? paleotn Jan 2025 #24
I have a hard time believing that RazorbackExpat Jan 2025 #12
Finland and others are not buying this............ riversedge Jan 2025 #15
Thanks! It seems from this excerpt.... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #19
Precisely! And would not explain NATO prepping SheltieLover Jan 2025 #29
Yep, sure is Marthe48 Jan 2025 #17
Bull. No names making these assertions. No attribution. It's all "sources." n/t dobleremolque Jan 2025 #21
Yow! You mean that WaPo.... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #22
No disrespect for your opinion Gymbo Jan 2025 #25
Bad seamanship is more common than you think. paleotn Jan 2025 #28
Yet, you automatically believe unattributed sources who agree with your views on things. paleotn Jan 2025 #30
Reminds me of the "Call before you dig" adverts in the yellow pages back in the day. paleotn Jan 2025 #26
I'm no sea-captain, The Unmitigated Gall Jan 2025 #27
Did we raise anchor? Yeah, yeah, it's raised......................oh shit! paleotn Jan 2025 #31
Lets not overlook who owns WAPO & where his loyalties lie SheltieLover Jan 2025 #33
Cutting Undersea Cables is No Accident But is Inexpensive Hybrid Warfare C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #34
See #29 above for links to posts on articles seeming to refute WAPOs bs SheltieLover Jan 2025 #35
Hi SheltieLover. Concur. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #36
Absolutely! SheltieLover Jan 2025 #37
Thanks! SheltieLover Jan 2025 #43
Thanks for those links... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #41
It is unclear to me why you are so defensive of the WAPO SheltieLover Jan 2025 #42
I am a defender of all good, solid enterprise reporting.... reACTIONary Jan 2025 #44
Last year off the coast of California, an oil line sprung Buddyzbuddy Jan 2025 #38
Thanks! It would be interesting to compare to these incidents. reACTIONary Jan 2025 #40
Bullshit orangecrush Jan 2025 #39
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