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malthaussen

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12. Eh, I have a friend with a PhD in physics.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:41 AM
Mar 2016

She's been an adjunct for years, there are virtually no tenure-track positions available, and the ones that are have 100 applicants as well qualified as she. And that's a STEM field.

I remember a Doonesbury comic from 40-odd years ago where one of the professors at Walden was grumbling about his salary, and threatening to move to the private sector to be paid what he was worth. The punch line? "You're a Latin professor!" Let's not pretend that many in the liberal arts would be able to market themselves in the private sector: PhDs driving cabs and serving coffee are a byword.

But yeah, the amount of time and effort spent getting the degree and doing the research even to be eligible for a tenure-track position takes considerably more opportunity cost than getting your MBA ticket punched and shmoozing your way into an executive position in business (to say nothing of government). Back in my grad school days, the profs went on strike, and for the most part they were being paid modestly, albeit comfortably. Even then, the pressure was mounting; he who could get the grants was the fair-haired boy, and teaching was only secondary to publishing and researching. That is the reason why the "product" of universities has been shifting for so long, from educating people to getting the bucks from government and industry. The result has been a proliferation of community colleges, where there is more of an emphasis on actually teaching, and where conditions for staff are at least as appalling, if not more so, than in four-year institutions.

Even thirty-odd years ago, these trends could be seen, and my advisor in grad school (I was in the history program, as it happens) told me my best shot would be to get into administration. (Largely because I had a rep as a hard-ass, but that's another story) Smart man, that prof.

-- Mal

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You might find it hard to believe, but even unions have unions whathehell Mar 2016 #1
Third paragraph is foolish rpannier Mar 2016 #2
It's just typical broad-brushing of the demonization. MH1 Mar 2016 #3
Isn't the post about the exploitation and lack of job security of the adjuncts rather than . . . brush Mar 2016 #23
Academic life is very stressful... Helen Borg Mar 2016 #4
Often yanked away? rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #5
Yours is a strawman argument... mark67 Mar 2016 #13
You misunderstand rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #14
We both agree on that... mark67 Mar 2016 #18
Which fields need more PhDs? mascarax Mar 2016 #19
I've worked in both academia and the private sector. Alkene Mar 2016 #6
Brilliant! Android3.14 Mar 2016 #8
The basic problem is lack of state funding Android3.14 Mar 2016 #7
An offshoot of declining funding is the impact on enrollment Alkene Mar 2016 #10
Your numbers are half right rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #15
+1000 abelenkpe Mar 2016 #20
What, he just noticed? malthaussen Mar 2016 #9
So true.... llmart Mar 2016 #11
Eh, I have a friend with a PhD in physics. malthaussen Mar 2016 #12
Also people refuse to retire... mark67 Mar 2016 #16
Yeah, you'll get that. malthaussen Mar 2016 #21
Yes, that is a problem we face also..... llmart Mar 2016 #24
We have at least 80-100 applicants for each STEM position.... llmart Mar 2016 #26
Anyone who pays for their own PhD rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #17
While that position has merit... malthaussen Mar 2016 #22
Lol whut? rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #28
Not sure what your comment is supposed to mean.... llmart Mar 2016 #25
Yes I know that rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #29
K&R nt TBF Mar 2016 #27
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