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muriel_volestrangler

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8. Almost everything you say applied to the American presidential election too
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 06:09 AM
Oct 2017

"First the result caught everyone by surprise. Exit wasn't at all expected. "

Not really true; plenty of polls, especially online ones (as opposed to telephone) had pointed to a Leave win: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#2016 . People just didn't know how much attention to pay to them.

"Tories did not even had a first draft on how to leave Europe...Not the slightest idea, not a single word or thought in this case"

It's now obvious the Republicans weren't prepared for winning; they took ages thinking of nominations for government positions after the election, and are still behind. This is just an indication of being bad administrators, who focus just on campaigning.

"a campaign focused on wrong issues, false figures,...mostly, voters were less informed"

The American problem in a nutshell.

"The mythic idea that the simplistic (idiot) answers to extremely complicated problems would fit."

And again.

So these really aren't reasons to think Russians weren't involved; it's these kind of reasons that has had people wondering about it.

Having the UK outside the EU does help Putin - it significantly decreases the size and wealth of the EU, puts another division between NATO countries, and between the UK and France, 2 permanent Security Council members. It may encourage other countries, like Hungary, to think about leaving.

But I'm not convinced there is that much solid evidence about interference.

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Yes it's odd, there is no traction on the story. Of course the OnDoutside Oct 2017 #1
I've seen some discussion, for example Jarqui Oct 2017 #2
I really don't understand the purpose of such statements syringis Oct 2017 #4
I'm not as convinced that Jarqui Oct 2017 #5
2 very basic reasons syringis Oct 2017 #6
For many reasons syringis Oct 2017 #3
Almost everything you say applied to the American presidential election too muriel_volestrangler Oct 2017 #8
Hello Muriel syringis Oct 2017 #13
My French isn't great, but I can give it a go if you think you can express yourself better in it muriel_volestrangler Oct 2017 #14
Hello Muriel syringis Oct 2017 #16
Hi, Syringis Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #17
Hi Denzil Dc, you are welcome. syringis Oct 2017 #18
I posted about the issue of student disenfranchisement back in mid-2016: Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #19
Thank you, I will take a look syringis Oct 2017 #20
OK, I hadn't checked your profile and didn't realize you were Belgian. Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #21
Russia likes chaos for the sake of chaos Not Ruth Oct 2017 #7
Chaos creates and allows control. We are all living that nightmare everyday. democratisphere Oct 2017 #9
Hello Muriel syringis Oct 2017 #10
the facts would show its more than Russia spreading fake news and propaganda beachbum bob Oct 2017 #11
Because it wasn't a "Russian intel operation". Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #12
Russian intel may have got involved at the end but it's too simplistic to call it a 'Russian intel LeftishBrit Oct 2017 #15
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