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Ken Burch

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2. It's the Spanish government that is anti-democratic
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 04:33 PM
Oct 2017

it can't be democratic to use the Spanish Army and the Guardia Civil(yes-Franco's Guardia Civil, a police force that was preserved for no good reason in the post-Franco "constitution" that was imposed by the Francoists in exchange for allowing nominal elections)to stop a referendum through voter intimidation. What Rajoy did can't be called anything but fascist.

I'm neutral on independence-and btw, nobody with anything close to progressive or secular political views in "Spanish civil society" supports the ultra-centralism of the Rajoy's Falange-sorry, but with this action, the "Popular Party" has proved it never stopped being Francoist at all-but there was nothing that was happening that justifies Rajoy's actions here.

The Spanish Right has never been about democracy. If it was democratic, it would never have launched a military coup against the elected Spanish government in the Thirties, and it would never have imposed a Castellano-supremacist policy on language and culture).

And what you don't seem to realize is that, as the senseless execution of the Easter Rising leaders created a massive consensus for independence in Ireland that did not previously exist, Rajoy's Falangist brutality has created a massive increase in support for either independence or some sort of radical-autonomist alternative to the status quo.

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It is good to see all such groups supporting Catalan and Spanish civil society Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #1
It's the Spanish government that is anti-democratic Ken Burch Oct 2017 #2
Well, then, I have to recommend you re-check (and improve the quality of) your sources. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #3
(on edit)I read that editorial Ken Burch Oct 2017 #4
"Risking their lives" is a massive exaggeration, but par for the propaganda course... Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #5
It can't be democratic to suppress Catalan sovereigntism by state violence. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #6
Please read more widely, reflect more deeply. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #7
In Spain, the "Rule of Law" is an essentialky Carlist/Fascist concept. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #10
You know these things how, may I ask? Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #11
Oh, I see. What a silly question to pose to a post-truther Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #15
I don't think quoting an opinion piece by a non-Catalan author, Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #8
Madrid-based El Pais is no more a "state mouthpiece" than London-based Guardian is. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #9
It was not always part of Spain. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #12
It was then a part of Spain. That was a civil war (about Monarchy), with much outside interference. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #13
Really? The Guardian's even worse than I thought then (which is pretty bad). Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #14
Ah, a little nuance Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #16
Not sure I get your drift, nor appreciate your tone. Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #17
Fine. If it's all about the selfish interests of (some people of) Scotland, Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #18
But these issues aren't separable. We are linked and mutually interdependent in a finite world. Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #19
UK 'won't recognise' Catalan independence T_i_B Oct 2017 #20
A Tory government backed Franco in the Thirties. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #21
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