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Ken Burch

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4. (on edit)I read that editorial
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 04:53 PM
Oct 2017

there was nothing in that editorial but invective. All the writer did was object to the claim that the actions of the Guardia Civil and the Spanish military were "torture". The whole thing could be summarized as nothing but "things are worse in other places".

And he offered no evidence for his bizarre assertion that the Catalan government was following the path of Mussolini other than "they're like Mussolini because I said so".

Rajoy isn't defending democracy...he's simply defending the power of the wealthy and the power of the centralized state. In Spain, centralization is indistinguishable from opposition to all change.

And the writer of that piece is basically saying "my dad was persecuted by Franco-so it's ok when I'M authoritarian".

There are hundreds of thousands of people in the streets of Barcelona protesting Rajoy. With the Spanish military there, with the Guardia Civil(and institution that has no reason to have survived the Franco era and which should have been abolished the moment Franco died, being replaced by a politically and socially neutral police service)patrolling, these people are risking their lives.


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It is good to see all such groups supporting Catalan and Spanish civil society Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #1
It's the Spanish government that is anti-democratic Ken Burch Oct 2017 #2
Well, then, I have to recommend you re-check (and improve the quality of) your sources. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #3
(on edit)I read that editorial Ken Burch Oct 2017 #4
"Risking their lives" is a massive exaggeration, but par for the propaganda course... Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #5
It can't be democratic to suppress Catalan sovereigntism by state violence. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #6
Please read more widely, reflect more deeply. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #7
In Spain, the "Rule of Law" is an essentialky Carlist/Fascist concept. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #10
You know these things how, may I ask? Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #11
Oh, I see. What a silly question to pose to a post-truther Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #15
I don't think quoting an opinion piece by a non-Catalan author, Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #8
Madrid-based El Pais is no more a "state mouthpiece" than London-based Guardian is. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #9
It was not always part of Spain. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #12
It was then a part of Spain. That was a civil war (about Monarchy), with much outside interference. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #13
Really? The Guardian's even worse than I thought then (which is pretty bad). Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #14
Ah, a little nuance Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #16
Not sure I get your drift, nor appreciate your tone. Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #17
Fine. If it's all about the selfish interests of (some people of) Scotland, Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #18
But these issues aren't separable. We are linked and mutually interdependent in a finite world. Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #19
UK 'won't recognise' Catalan independence T_i_B Oct 2017 #20
A Tory government backed Franco in the Thirties. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #21
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