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Ghost Dog

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9. Madrid-based El Pais is no more a "state mouthpiece" than London-based Guardian is.

Mon Oct 23, 2017, 08:01 PM

Oct 2017

El País does claim to represent the 'status quo', as does Barcelona-based La Vanguardia. Catalonia is and has always been a part of Spain. I am relaying to you some selected observations and thoughts from intelligent people on or close to the ground. I also have personal experience here.

Where do people such as yourselves get your information from? Can you provide some real examples of oppression in Catolonia in recent years? What about examples of liberation? I suggest you attempt to get on air on TV3 in Catalonia voicing a point of view opposed to the fanatics.

(The Government of) Spain's stance is not anti-Catalan. This is where the propaganda misleads you. Spain's stance is pro-Catalonia and against those who seek to cause great damage to Catalonia and to all its people by proceeding along this unconstitutional and quite suicidal (worse by far than Brexit for Catalonia) course.

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Scots launch Catalan Defence Committee to defend democracy [View all] Ken Burch Oct 2017 OP

It is good to see all such groups supporting Catalan and Spanish civil society Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #1

It's the Spanish government that is anti-democratic Ken Burch Oct 2017 #2

Well, then, I have to recommend you re-check (and improve the quality of) your sources. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #3

(on edit)I read that editorial Ken Burch Oct 2017 #4

"Risking their lives" is a massive exaggeration, but par for the propaganda course... Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #5

It can't be democratic to suppress Catalan sovereigntism by state violence. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #6

Please read more widely, reflect more deeply. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #7

In Spain, the "Rule of Law" is an essentialky Carlist/Fascist concept. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #10

You know these things how, may I ask? Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #11

Oh, I see. What a silly question to pose to a post-truther Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #15

I don't think quoting an opinion piece by a non-Catalan author, Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #8

Madrid-based El Pais is no more a "state mouthpiece" than London-based Guardian is. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #9

It was not always part of Spain. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #12

It was then a part of Spain. That was a civil war (about Monarchy), with much outside interference. Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #13

Really? The Guardian's even worse than I thought then (which is pretty bad). Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #14

Ah, a little nuance Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #16

Not sure I get your drift, nor appreciate your tone. Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #17

Fine. If it's all about the selfish interests of (some people of) Scotland, Ghost Dog Oct 2017 #18

But these issues aren't separable. We are linked and mutually interdependent in a finite world. Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #19

UK 'won't recognise' Catalan independence T_i_B Oct 2017 #20

A Tory government backed Franco in the Thirties. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #21