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Ken Burch

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21. I read what he posted.

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 09:51 PM

Nov 2017

At the start of it, he wasn't even talking about Brexit.

Not sure why that was even brought up

I'd like to see it prevented and encourage people to keep campaigning against it, but what's the point of trying to push Labour into an official anti-Brexit stance for the next election or try to press it to fight Brexit in parliament when the issue is dead there, given the current Parliamentary makeup.

If Brexit were stopped, but the Tories were kept in power as a result, that would pretty much be the end of history. The NHS would then inevitably be abolished and nothing positive could ever be done once the healthcare system was privatized.

Also, I don't make Labour policy, so why are you lashing out as me for decisions I didn't make and have no power to change?

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Any theories as to how long May can delay a new election? [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2017 OP

Until the government collapses T_i_B Nov 2017 #1

As much as I want the Tories out, I also want the DUP to face electoral punishment over this Ken Burch Nov 2017 #2

I don't think the DUP would be punished by voters for this LeftishBrit Nov 2017 #3

Well, times change, but this was from 2010: Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #4

A snap election can't come soon enough. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #5

I wouldn't credit the DUP with that much T_i_B Nov 2017 #6

I'd like to see quite a bit more clear water between the Tories and Labour Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #7

I'm for even more clear water than there is, although there's a lot more than previously. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #8

The latest poll I've seen showed Labour 3 points ahead. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #11

In theory, Labour should be much further ahead in the polls T_i_B Nov 2017 #12

I think at times recently Labour have been providing a more effective opposition. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #13

OK, somehow I hadn't see this earlier. I'll respond now. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #23

I've addressed pretty much all this at quite some length below. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #28

I thought I owed it to you to respond to this post when I saw it. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #29

You would agree that any continued anti-Corbyn efforts, including expulsions of his supporters, Ken Burch Nov 2017 #20

No. T_i_B Nov 2017 #37

To clarify, I wasn't condemning every single expulsion. Misogynists should be expelled. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #40

Wrong T_i_B Nov 2017 #41

OK...you can't seriously argue that there are people who are antiracist AND antisemitic. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #42

You really don't have experience of people in real life do you? T_i_B Nov 2017 #43

I have plenty of experence in real life. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #44

Given that you keep posting the same old theoretical bollocks T_i_B Nov 2017 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Nov 2017 #49

I haven't mentioned the EU once on this thread T_i_B Nov 2017 #50

I have read the other posts...I'm sorry I misdirected that response to you. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #51

Christ, have you never ever misread something? Ken Burch Nov 2017 #53

I've met some. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #46

Oh...to clarify...by "clear blue water", I thought you meant policy differences. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #14

Do you not actually read anything anybody posts? T_i_B Nov 2017 #15

I read what he posted. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #21

In that particular post, I was plainly referring to clear water in terms of polling. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #16

You seem to think I'm a closet Leaver Ken Burch Nov 2017 #17

Bleedin' Ada. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #18

I'm only speaking for myself, and am not trying to convince you personally, Denzil. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #19

Now you REALLY are trying my patience, as if you hadn't already. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #22

OK, a reset is a good idea. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #24

It would also help if you'd stop making major edits to your posts after you've written them. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #25

Fair enough. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #26

Well, it mattered a bit more this time because you added questions to the end. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #27

When I started this thread, I never meant to get into Brexit. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #30

I didn't say that I thought a reset was a great idea. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #31

I don't disagree with a single thing you've said there. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #32

Well, to return to my entry to this discussion, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #33

OK. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #34

The problem is this: Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #38

Denzil, I'm not trying to persuade YOU to vote Labour. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #39

Why do you think Labour's support would plummet if it supported Remain? LeftishBrit Nov 2017 #35

I DON'T condemn Labour's support for Remain in the referendum. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #36

"I do think it's time that people stop blaming Corbyn for the Leave victory" Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #47

Look, this all started because I honestly misunderstood what Denzil meant by "clear blue water". Ken Burch Nov 2017 #48

Jeebus. This "small group of you that post in the UK group" Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #54

Wasn't meaning to lecture...I respect your views on the EU and truly wasn't challenging them. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #55

OK...I misread it. In terms of UK politics, I'm used to seeing the term "clear blue water" Ken Burch Nov 2017 #52

She'll call an election The King of Prussia Nov 2017 #9

I thought she would have done it around october syringis Nov 2017 #10

Ok. I live in England and from NI so I have opinions on both these things....... Soph0571 Nov 2017 #56

Thank you for that. there's a fair amount of things in there I didn't know. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #57

Unfortunately the community is divided and always will be Soph0571 Nov 2017 #58