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lumberjack_jeff

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9. Some problems are the result of misandry. Some are not.
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 10:52 PM
Oct 2013

I get that being razzed for living in mom's basement is about on par with complaining about discrimination because your dry cleaning and haircuts are more expensive.

About the more serious issues you mention; Personally, I think that workplace injuries and fatalities have their roots in patriarchy. They aren't on anyone's radar because they are a part of patriarchy which is really only considered a problem to the next of kin. Male only draft? Ditto. We're fine with patriarchy - sometimes - and especially if it means that crab legs remain less than $10.00 per pound.

Misandry on the other hand, raises its head when people say that it is intolerably sexist to talk about this stuff.

It's not necessary for these things to be a problem for me personally - to recognize that it is a problem generally. It represents an irreconcilable asymmetry in social priorities. I find it odd that when I mourn the treatment Matthew Shepard got, or the treatment that Trayvon Martin got, or the treatment that Rachel Corrie got, I'm fulfilling expectations because only an inhuman monster could fail to sympathize on the basis that what happened to them is "more theoretical than real, and not likely to have a serious detrimental impact on my life."

(Cue the bla bla brigade: "Did you hear him compare himself to Trayvon Martin?!1!1&quot

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I am not suggesting that this is what you are doing. I am just saying that men are socialized to ignore and minimize not only trivial slights, but even grossly unfair treatment.
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It is true enough that I have been blessed with skills and an environment that allowed me to avoid seriously hazardous occupations, but that may or may not be true for my sons, and contrary to popular opinion, it isn't the coal miner's fault for doing something so stupid.

Men are murdered 3x more often. They die of suicide 5x more often. They die on the job 8x more often. They die 7 years younger. I don't think there's any argument who's getting the disproportionate share of harm.

There's no such thing as reverse sexism. It is all one thing.

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6 Sexist Things Women Say [View all] Bonobo Oct 2013 OP
to be fair, technically, all men ARE animals. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #1
How many animals can shave their balls? Major Nikon Oct 2013 #2
See, that sort of thing never gets old. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #3
Meh... I "get" it, but I don't trouble myself about it too much... nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #4
If I'm going to get wrapped around an axle about sexism... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #5
I can mostly agree with that. And while I may deplore the existence of a shallow, mindless culture nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #6
Some problems are the result of misandry. Some are not. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #9
"Disproportionate share of harm"? Maybe not overall, but a great many men are being harmed greatly. nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #11
Do you think that men should be equally represented on college campuses? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #13
Do I? I suppose so, in theory. But why is that one particular number/statistic so important? nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #14
Let's explore this. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #15
As I said, all the issues you've raised are real and legitimate, I just don't think they're nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #18
I'm not suggesting that those things represent misandry. I am suggesting that they represent bias. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #19
Okay. Not sure I see it that way, but I get what you mean at least. nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #20
Are you willing to argue the reverse? Major Nikon Oct 2013 #16
It is difficult to quantify, I admit. All I can tell you is that I don't feel disadvantaged, at all, nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #17
There are those who are disadvantaged on both sides of the gender divide Major Nikon Oct 2013 #21
The Kyriarchy Hurts Men pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #23
Thank you for your contribution and I totally agree. nt Bonobo Oct 2013 #24
This is interesting stuff. It has the ring of truth. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #25
Excellent term LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #26
:D It encompasses everything pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #27
Never said it was a big concern in my life either. Bonobo Oct 2013 #7
I agree that that kind of dickishness is unbecoming either way. Anyone who says things like that nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #8
"Dickishness"!!!! LOL! Bonobo Oct 2013 #10
Assholishness? I guess that's more gender neutral... nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #12
A++ Post. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #22
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